NBN Discussion

[Pushka]

Again why did they build the NBN in peasant areas first? To iron out the bugs?
Just seems upside down the NBN setup to give access to those that cannot afford or use it to its potential?

Because they have no internet. Our shack had no reliable internet until NBN. We often worked there but had to drive a distance to connect with work emails. They are as entitled to internet as you are and most households use it for non work activity anyway so....

 

[drsmithy]

Again why did they build the NBN in peasant areas first? To iron out the bugs?
Just seems upside down the NBN setup to give access to those that cannot afford or use it to its potential?

Firstly because, generally speaking, city areas are already well serviced by existing wired technologies or, at worst, have good 4G coverage.

Secondly because if the NBN had started in the cities it would have been stopped as soon as they were connected and rural people - sorry, "peasants" - would still have terrible connectivity.

 

[JessicaTam]

Not bad for dial up internet. :mrgreen:

Well I live within half a k of work, and further from the exchange, but get between 12-16Mbps at home. :evil:

comes down to $

 

[hummel]

FWIW I have 100/40 FTTH and honestly when I go into work (6km away) I find the 20/5 we have pretty slow.

I know I'm lucky to have it but I also picked this particular estate for that reason. My folks live in the country and went from dialup wot NBN Wifi and are pretty happy.

 

[whatmeworry]

NBN CEO tells us not to worry about our net speeds.

The sniping about the lack of NBN capacity came to a head last week, after NBN's half yearly results, when Morrow was asked about the paucity of our plans of "up to" 25 megabits per second speeds in comparison to the wider spread availability of 1 Gigabit per second speeds around the world.

Read more: NBN boss tells Aussies to stop worrying about size of their (broadband) packages | afr.com

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In the picture below, this is how they are negating the flood risks for FTTN NBN cabinets. Latrobe, Tasmania

 

[RAM]

In the picture below, this is how they are negating the flood risks for FTTN NBN cabinets. Latrobe, Tasmania

Ok, I am a cynic, but what's the bet that the height is NOT above the 1 in 5 or 10 year flood level?

Have they allowed for the ripple/wave effect that causes the height to temporarily be above the 1 in 5 or 10 year flood height?

Local house built to avoid the 1 in 50 year flood level but did not allow for impact of cars/trucks driving along the centre of the road causing wake/wash that merrily went over the top and through their house.. As they had built above the level they did not need to have that cover in the home insurance did they!

Apparently neither they nor their architect believed in safety margins!

 

[docjames]

Is there any way to establish in-home speeds prior to installation?

Is there any way to insist on FTTH?

Who has the "best" plan currently for NBN?

 

[PLANT]

1. Ask the neighbour who had NBN?
2. Open the cheque book with all you speak too on connecting.
3. Depends on area and how much you want to pay!
4. If you want the best and fastest.... Get two connections into house and join them! Google YouTube it.... Again money gets speed!

 

[whatmeworry]

Ok, I am a cynic, but what's the bet that the height is NOT above the 1 in 5 or 10 year flood level?

Have they allowed for the ripple/wave effect that causes the height to temporarily be above the 1 in 5 or 10 year flood height?

Local house built to avoid the 1 in 50 year flood level but did not allow for impact of cars/trucks driving along the centre of the road causing wake/wash that merrily went over the top and through their house.. As they had built above the level they did not need to have that cover in the home insurance did they!

Apparently neither they nor their architect believed in safety margins!

The flood risk? What about the pits below with copper?

 

[drron]

Ok, I am a cynic, but what's the bet that the height is NOT above the 1 in 5 or 10 year flood level?

Have they allowed for the ripple/wave effect that causes the height to temporarily be above the 1 in 5 or 10 year flood height?

Local house built to avoid the 1 in 50 year flood level but did not allow for impact of cars/trucks driving along the centre of the road causing wake/wash that merrily went over the top and through their house.. As they had built above the level they did not need to have that cover in the home insurance did they!

Apparently neither they nor their architect believed in safety margins!

Having stayed in Latrobe on and off for ~ 2 years they are being careful.The bank of the Mersey river on the opposite side to Latrobe is lower so the floods go in the opposite direction to the town.here are the maps showing virtually all of Latrobe is above the 1 in 100 year floodline-

 

[clazman]

Work colleague had 35mb on cable, before the NBN was available.

Since NBN became available recently and went the upgrade for a 100mb plan.

Has only managed 100mb at 1:15am on Friday morning, best during the day is 26mb.

I don't have access to NBN and not on the plans yet ... is this normal?

 

[jb747]

Work colleague had 35mb on cable, before the NBN was available.

Since NBN became available recently and went the upgrade for a 100mb plan.

Has only managed 100mb at 1:15am on Friday morning, best during the day is 26mb.

I don't have access to NBN and not on the plans yet ... is this normal?

Look up CVC charging. It pretty much explains why congestion is such an issue. Basically, NBN have made bandwidth so expensive for the ISPs, that they buy very little, and you're simply sharing. It's basically a party line for the NBN.

 

[clazman]

Look up CVC charging. It pretty much explains why congestion is such an issue. Basically, NBN have made bandwidth so expensive for the ISPs, that they buy very little, and you're simply sharing. It's basically a party line for the NBN.

Basically the same as ADSL with a shared partly line

 

[jb747]

Basically the same as ADSL with a shared partly line

Much worse from what I'm hearing. People with good ADSL2 connections are often going backwards. As I've only got ADSL1, I at least have a chance of a speed improvement.

It's not going to be fixed whilst the ISPs can get away with it, or NBN has such a silly charging regime. Apparently if they hit their target speed for just one minute per day, they consider it OK!. If a billing system were mandated by the ACCC, that forced the ISPs to reduce their pricing based on the average download speed (NOT CONNECTION speed) then we might see some movement. It might get rid of the fraudulent 'up to' claims. We can understand that the connection speed can be limited by the technology, but if you have 50 meg/sec connection, and buy a 50 meg plan, but only achieve 10meg...then the charge should simply be 20%. With a sliding scale, and nothing else, they would have incentive. I they have any way of weaselling out, (i.e. by breaking the charge up into imaginary sub charges) we know that they would use it.

I thought the previous FTTH was a boondoggle. Sadly the replacement system is simply a waste of money.

 

[cove]

NBN pricing should be based on the slowest speed achieved in the month. That would fix the lack of focus.

 

[clazman]

Much worse from what I'm hearing. People with good ADSL2 connections are often going backwards. As I've only got ADSL1, I at least have a chance of a speed improvement.

It's not going to be fixed whilst the ISPs can get away with it, or NBN has such a silly charging regime. Apparently if they hit their target speed for just one minute per day, they consider it OK!. If a billing system were mandated by the ACCC, that forced the ISPs to reduce their pricing based on the average download speed (NOT CONNECTION speed) then we might see some movement. It might get rid of the fraudulent 'up to' claims. We can understand that the connection speed can be limited by the technology, but if you have 50 meg/sec connection, and buy a 50 meg plan, but only achieve 10meg...then the charge should simply be 20%. With a sliding scale, and nothing else, they would have incentive. I they have any way of weaselling out, (i.e. by breaking the charge up into imaginary sub charges) we know that they would use it.

I thought the previous FTTH was a boondoggle. Sadly the replacement system is simply a waste of money.

I hear you about ADSL 1, I have to suffer the same nothing nicer than buffering youtube .. what irks me if i built 100m south I would have top end ADSl 2 speeds....

 

[clazman]

With Telstra testing 1gb wireless speeds, surely this should kill the NBN off?

Having a 4g phone I get awesome speeds compared to my Telstra ADSL 1 rebranded to IInet connection

Unfortunately the data cost is a killer, if not i would go full time 4g

 

[jb747]

With Telstra testing 1gb wireless speeds, surely this should kill the NBN off?

Having a 4g phone I get awesome speeds compared to my Telstra ADSL 1 rebranded to IInet connection

Unfortunately the data cost is a killer, if not i would go full time 4g

Two words. Telstra. Cost.

 

[whatmeworry]

NBN to cut costs for ISP's.

nbn™, the company building and operating Australia's National Broadband Network (NBN), has announced changes to the network capacity charge (CVC) it charges internet service providers.
The CVC is important because it's one of two costs nbn™ imposes on ISPs. The first is the monthly access charge (AVC), a per-month-per-subscriber fee that is broadly analogous to a line rental fee, albeit with some variability for different bandwidths. The CVC is rather more complex and covers the amount of bandwidth a retailer will consume within each of the NBN's Connectivity Serving Areas.
Retail ISPs have long argued that the CVC is too high, for two reasons.
Firstly, it's not cheap. By the time an ISP pays CVC and AVC there's not much change left from $50. Punters are generally happy paying not much more than that for basic internet services, leaving ISPs to find a way to run the service at a profit.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/17/nbn_to_cut_the_charges_isps_pay_for_traffic/

 

[moa999]

I thought the previous FTTH was a boondoggle. Sadly the replacement system is simply a waste of money.

CVC charging is part of the FTTH system as well.
Stems back to the decision to make the NBN budget neutral (is. It needs to pay for itself).

A base 12/1 plan needs to be the same cost as a landline (so those not wanting internet pay no more) and anything above that needs to be used to recover the costs.

CVC congestion depends on RSP per each POI.
In general those who offered cheap unlimited 100/40 plans are those who are not buying a big enough pipe.