NBN Discussion

[jb747]

NBN to cut costs for ISP's.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/17/nbn_to_cut_the_charges_isps_pay_for_traffic/

Not really. Just nibbling at the edges. The CVC cost on their cheapest discount would still be over $11 per meg/second per customer. So to give me a circuit shared with 10 others at 50 meg/sec - which means I'd only be getting a sub ADSL level of 5 meg/sec if we were all on at once, would still cost $55 per month. To guarantee me what I'm actually trying to buy would cost over $550.

Oh, and that's only ONE of the charges.

It is priced to ensure bandwidth remains scarce. Basically priced to fail.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Not really. Just nibbling at the edges. The CVC cost on their cheapest discount would still be over $11 per meg/second per customer. So to give me a circuit shared with 10 others at 50 meg/sec - which means I'd only be getting a sub ADSL level of 5 meg/sec if we were all on at once, would still cost $55 per month. To guarantee me what I'm actually trying to buy would cost over $550.

Oh, and that's only ONE of the charges.

It is priced to ensure bandwidth remains scarce. Basically priced to fail.

Part of the problem is the belief by customers on consumer grade services that they're buying an uncontested connection.

Probably what needs to happen is for RSPs to be pushed to provide peak time average speeds on a POI basis.

This will give customers an idea of the worst speeds they'll likely get.

 

[jb747]

Part of the problem is the belief by customers on consumer grade services that they're buying an uncontested connection.

Probably what needs to happen is for RSPs to be pushed to provide peak time average speeds on a POI basis.

This will give customers an idea of the worst speeds they'll likely get.

At no point has any RSP ever said that you will get a tiny fraction of what you're signing up for. Even average speeds are a con. Provision of hour by hour (through the day) speeds might make a difference. Plus payment based only on what you actually get, not 'up to'.

Yes, I understand that they could not afford that, so then there might be some real pressure for the NBN to come up with a workable model.

At the moment it's as if I walk into an Aston Martin dealer, where I'm told I can buy up to a DB11 for $500,000. But, on delivery day, given a clunker with a picture of a DB11 on the front seat.

 

[moa999]

But the reality is very few home users use the Internet 24/7, so providers have always been able to contend services.

In the old days of dial-up modems 100-150:1 ratios on both the bandwidth (and the lines) wasn't uncommon.

Contention still works on NBN 'most' of the time. The problem is with a greater proportion streaming over Netflix hour (say 6-9pm) that the model falls down over those hours.

As for your 500k Aston - how often does it get driven at 300kph

 

[jb747]

But the reality is very few home users use the Internet 24/7, so providers have always been able to contend services.

In the old days of dial-up modems 100-150:1 ratios on both the bandwidth (and the lines) wasn't uncommon.

Contention still works on NBN 'most' of the time. The problem is with a greater proportion streaming over Netflix hour (say 6-9pm) that the model falls down over those hours.

As for your 500k Aston - how often does it get driven at 300kph

Given that more and more users actually want the bandwidth they are paying for, even if it happens to be only at a few select hours, the system fails totally if it cannot provide that. Not much use having a great connections when you are asleep. And certainly no reason to pay for it.

As for the Aston...as often as I could.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Given that more and more users actually want the bandwidth they are paying for, even if it happens to be only at a few select hours, the system fails totally if it cannot provide that. Not much use having a great connections when you are asleep. And certainly no reason to pay for it.

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Agree.

There are lots of our services, if not all, that have peak demands.

ie
Electricity on hot days.
Water in the morning when everyone is showering, flushing toilets..
Drainage pipes when there is rain.

 

[whatmeworry]

So the NBN rollout map has been updated.

My area was meant to get FTTP in 2014. Then Trumble. 2015 FTTN. 2016 HFC. 2017 ????. Now I am meant to get FTTC in the second half of 2018. Thanks Trumble.

Check your address | nbn - Australia's new broadband network

Calls to cut the ~3 million pay packet of NBN CEO.

Labor has it sights set on the salary of the man overseeing the National Broadband Network.

It follows the revelation departing Australia Post chief Ahmed Fahour was paid $5.6 million last year.
"The prime minister has made it very clear that he believes the pay and renumeration of Australia Post executives was excessive and it was," Labor senator Sam Dastyari told reporters in Canberra on Monday.
"But the same standard hasn't been applied to NBN."
NBN Co chief executive officer Bill Morrow was paid $3.6 million last financial year, according to the company's annual report.
"The NBN is becoming a financial black hole and the executives are taking us for a ride."

Labor calls for NBN chief's pay to be cut

 

[Pushka]

I'm July 2018. I think that's an improvement from the last time I checked.

 

[Quickstatus]

CVC charging is part of the FTTH system as well.
Stems back to the decision to make the NBN budget neutral (is. It needs to pay for itself).

A base 12/1 plan needs to be the same cost as a landline (so those not wanting internet pay no more) and anything above that needs to be used to recover the costs.

CVC congestion depends on RSP per each POI.
In general those who offered cheap unlimited 100/40 plans are those who are not buying a big enough pipe.

I know where you can get a 25/25 guaranteed speed. 1TB per month. $1800 per month.

100/100 speed and 5TB per month is $3500 per month

any takers? guaranteed speed, no sharing no party line.

 

[PLANT]

So I'm on the map now as HFC...... Thing is cable is never been able to get to me via Telstra..... HFC is the same as cable on a Google search..... So from previous posts.... Interesting to see if I end up with 2 cans and a piece of string connecting them for Internet!

 

[moa999]

So I'm on the map now as HFC...... !

Are you near areas of Telstra cable??
They will reportedly be doing infill in some areas.

But depending on the difficulty and number of premises involved they may well swap to FTTC/FTTN

 

[whatmeworry]

Thankfully the Optus cable in my area is cough. So I get Fibre to the curb. Looks like being next to a power pole is finally paying off.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Thankfully the Optus cable in my area is cough. So I get Fibre to the curb. Looks like being next to a power pole is finally paying off.

Interesting. Friends have Optus cable and they get 100Mb. We are on Telstra cable and we get 110/2.5. Not sure if I want NBN FTTN. But not getting choice until July 18.

 

[whatmeworry]

Interesting. Friends have Optus cable and they get 100Mb. We are on Telstra cable and we get 110/2.5. Not sure if I want NBN FTTN. But not getting choice until July 18.

As long as your HFC is still usable, your should still get 100 down and with a software upgrade at least 40 up.

 

[Quickstatus]

I am supposed to be getting fixed wireless by 2020

 

[jb747]

So the NBN rollout map has been updated.

My address doesn't get a result...even though it's supposedly active here now.

 

[love_the_life]

I see we have been listed as 2019 with Fibre to the Building. We have VDSL2 now and it is pretty good compared with the Telstra one we had. We seem to notice a decline in speed when parliament is sitting

 

[straitman]

In about a six month period we have gone from being outside of the NBN area to being built in our area to being available next month.

 

[Quickstatus]

Why do people think that a faster connection will enhance their online experience? .Sure, I understand those who dont currently have any internet or have dialup or have really slow internet that their bottleneck is the worst in the system. But doubling download speed does not equate to doubling download experience. There are so many bottlenecks in the system. By now we all know that NBN is a shared facility (so called party line like the old days of telephony when you can hear the conversation of others). The other main bottleneck is the server that dishes out the information sought. Other servers sit in between the NBN websurfer and the source server. (notwithstanding the issues with the NBN wholesale pricing model)

I dont know what download speed is the sweet spot but for most people i suspect a download speed of 25 will suffice nicely.

 

[drsmithy]

Why do people think that a faster connection will enhance their online experience?

Er, the obvious answer ? Most of them are sitting on the other end of slow (say, 5-10Mb, or even less) broadband connections ?

On content-heavy websites the difference between 10Mb and 20Mb is quite noticeable and with modern CDNs the bottleneck is rarely at the "other end", especially with our typically low speeds.

A party line is a horrendous analogy.