NBN Discussion

[drsmithy]

You may want it but you wont get it even if they say your speed is 1Gbps.
No server will be able to send and receive at 1gbps unless you are the only one interrogating the server and it has multi gbps connections to the internet backbone. Addtionally there are probably several servers between the server hosting the interrogated website and you.

As I already said, with modern CDNs, it's quite possible for there to be a clear, unbottlenecked 1Gb link between you and the bulk of data you are downloading, which will be stored on a whole bunch of servers with 10Gb connectivity to a 10Gb (or faster) backbone.

You don't need a "dedicated" 1Gb link to saturate for major benefits, either. just being able to burst up to a Gb for second or so at a time delivers huge perceived benefit, but dozens of people can do that on average across a single 1Gb shared upstream over a reasonable period of time (10s of seconds to minutes).

Exhibit A.

Say you have netflix account and want to watch netflix 4k (on 4 separate TV as you can get 4 subaccounts I think) you will only need 100mbps. what else are you going to need the other 0.9gbps for? You probably will need a "marketed" 1gbps connection and will prob in actual real world only get sustained 100mbps. who knows. Be prepared to pay lots. Not because the the fibre can carry much more but the internet backhauler will have to lease multi gbps links across the southern cross cable. Current capaciy across Southern cross cable is 7.4 Tbps. Thats 7400 Gbps. Theoretical capacity is 22Tbps (at the moment).

Your premise is flawed. You don't need to go overseas for your content. In most cases it's cached locally and your requests probably won't go any further than your nearest capital city.

 

[Quickstatus]

Unless netflix does away with geoblock, most of the good content especially the 4K stuff will be cached in the US.

 

[RB]

I am pretty challenged by a lot of the NBN info so perhaps some of the more knowledgable members on here can help. We have just purchased a block that is in a new subdivision. The block is part way along a cul-de-sac with no current buildings on either side of the block & a koala corridor (so no houses) across the street. The NBN site now indicates we can expect FTTN. How does that work when I assume there is no existing copper network going past?

 

[RAM]

Possibly but all Im saying is that increasing speeds to 25, 50, 100 does not necessarily increase download speed. The bottlenecks will still exist.

Which brings it back to the question that no politician will answer about the NBN"

"Why should the Australian taxpayer subsidise Newscorp, Telstra (Foxtel), Optus TV, Netflix, cough, spotify etc etc?"

Even if they do make large and regular donations to the parties or 'fund gathering' entities.

It does seem pathetic that elderly pensioners have to wait in pain up to 3 years for a hip replacement on expensive (to the tax payer) pain relief/blocking drugs - yet we need to spend around $50bn (plus annual interest bills) so that teenagers et al can watch videos on their smart phones, laptops, PCs, TVs as well as help the cough industry expand its market. Does it not seem absurd that anyone NEEDS HD downloads for a (school) laptop screen?

Wants maybe but needs?

Expand its market? The way many parents discovered their childrens' cough (of all ages) downloads was by the internet plan's capacity being breached.

With unlimited plans - that early warning is/has gone.

 

[Quickstatus]

Forget about cough, think online gambling and online gaming where the latency demanded(delay between inputting a signal and its output on a screen) is super low.

Forget about the NBN driving a technologically savvy population. Most of the bandwidth will be used for nonproductive uses (except for the content providers)

 

[drsmithy]

Which brings it back to the question that no politician will answer about the NBN"

"Why should the Australian taxpayer subsidise Newscorp, Telstra (Foxtel), Optus TV, Netflix, cough, spotify etc etc?"

Indeed. For the same reason we should stop upkeep on roads since all that does is subsidise all the private companies that use them. Not to mention Medicare. Need to get rid of that because of all the companies who profit from being able to pay their employees less. Then HECS should go - if employers want qualified staff they should have to stump up for the degrees and training themselves.

In fact, we should give up on the whole idea of public assets and public goods completely. Go the whole hog and sell off the entire country so the people own nothing and there is no common wealth to try and manage. Utopia !

It does seem pathetic that elderly pensioners have to wait in pain up to 3 years for a hip replacement on expensive (to the tax payer) pain relief/blocking drugs - yet we need to spend around $50bn (plus annual interest bills) so that teenagers et al can watch videos on their smart phones, laptops, PCs, TVs as well as help the cough industry expand its market. Does it not seem absurd that anyone NEEDS HD downloads for a (school) laptop screen?

Well, we could address that by ditching negative gearing and CGT discounts. Getting rid of novated leases. Then we could throw in a few more higher tax brackets at the $500k and $1m marks of, say, 75% and 90%. Implement a wealth tax. Implement the Buffet Tax.

You'd be behind that so that elderly pensioners didn't have to "wait in pain up to 3 years for a hip replacement", right ?

Expand its market? The way many parents discovered their childrens' cough (of all ages) downloads was by the internet plan's capacity being breached.

With unlimited plans - that early warning is/has gone.

Wow. Just... Wow.

 

[drsmithy]

Unless netflix does away with geoblock, most of the good content especially the 4K stuff will be cached in the US.

Not the same thing.

 

[Hvr]

Thank you for this.

Luckily there is an AGM coming up soon so I can bring this up at the meeting... and realistically, who wouldn't want to agree to what could be a value boost to the complex/property?!

I already have an HFC cable box on my external wall. And the NBN website says we'll be getting HFC NBN next year.

With my BC when Foxtel was rolling out the cable (approximately 20 years ago) they offered to install it for free. Because they wanted to install it on my wall I got to decide if we got a free installation.

I couldn't say yes quickly enough.

 

[ozjuice]

Pleased to say i just checked and i am in line for FTTP later this year. Can't wait for high speeds and no arguing over bandwidth.

 

[whatmeworry]

Mate in Norway has 100/100 unlimited for about $80.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Mate in Norway has 100/100 unlimited for about $80.

I bet they also don't have to wait 3 years for hip operations either!

 

[straitman]

A party line is a horrendous analogy.

Just trying to understand but why is it such a bad analogy :?:

 

[Bundy Bear]

Well at least there is a date for NBN.

Planned availability: Jul-Dec 2018*

 

[Quickstatus]

Well at least there is a date for NBN.

Planned availability: Jul-Dec 2018*

The date and proposed technology is not written in stone and therefore subject to change at anytime.

 

[whatmeworry]

I bet they also don't have to wait 3 years for hip operations either!

Mum told it's 2 years the waiting list.

 

[Quickstatus]

Mate in Norway has 100/100 unlimited for about $80.

Norway has slowest internet in Scandinavia - The Local

As is the usual the "marketed" speed is never the actual.

Mum told it's 2 years the waiting list.

waiting list for that operation at my local hospital is 15 months. Though Im told some places are much longer. My dad got his public hip in 6 months.

 

[serfty]

Hmmm we may have won a small prize: "FTTC" in ~24 months. (AKA "Fibre to the driveway" )

Uses existing (in our case 6yo) copper wire from pit to house.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/blog/the-nbn-project/what-is-fttc-our-latest-network-technology.html

 

[whatmeworry]

Hmmm we may have won a small prize: "FTTC" in ~24 months. (AKA "Fibre to the driveway" )

Uses existing (in our case 6yo) copper wire from pit to house.

Fibre-to-the-Curb (FTTC): Our latest network technology | nbn - Australia's new broadband network

I guess a few metres of copper better the a km of copper.

 

[Quickstatus]

Hmmm we may have won a small prize: "FTTC" in ~24 months. (AKA "Fibre to the driveway" )

Uses existing (in our case 6yo) copper wire from pit to house.

Fibre-to-the-Curb (FTTC): Our latest network technology | nbn - Australia's new broadband network

I thought Kerb is correct rather than Curb. But hey thats good news. It does sound like a good fit for situations like yours with a body corporate.

 

[moa999]

Mate in Norway has 100/100 unlimited for about $80.

Probably would have been possible in Australia if they had decided to only serve 70℅ of the population.
No Sat, No FW, No semi-rural properties.

There is a large cross-subsidy built into the NBN.

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FTTC is definitely a big win.
Near guaranteed 100/40 and future upgrade path to Gigabit speeds with G.Fast and XG.Fast standards