NBN Discussion

[drsmithy]

Just trying to understand but why is it such a bad analogy :?:

Because you can't "hear each others conversations", would be the most obvious reason.

 

[drsmithy]

Norway has slowest internet in Scandinavia - The Local

As is the usual the "marketed" speed is never the actual.

The speed quoted in the report is the connection speed, not the "actual" speed.

Ie: If everyone in Norway had a 1Gb fibre connection, the reported average would be 1Gb, regardless of how quickly they could stream youtube videos.

 

[whatmeworry]

Anybody know if FTTC requires battery back for the home phone?

 

[moa999]

Anybody know if FTTC requires battery back for the home phone?

The curb-node is reverse powered from your home.
Ideally you would want a UPS that would power the reverse feed unit and your VDSL modem, but I don't suspect that the NBN will supply it

 

[serfty]

I thought Kerb is correct rather than Curb. But hey thats good news. It does sound like a good fit for situations like yours with a body corporate.

Agree about the K; but no body corp here - separate dwelling.

I'll be easily pleased given the seeming hard cap of 5.6Mbps download with my ADSL2.

 

[whatmeworry]

At least 3km from my telephone exchange. So FTTC is definitely an improvement and thankfully not FTTN.

Looking at pricing from SkyMesh for FTTP as a comparison. It looks like 100/40 is better priced then the entry speeds of 12/1 and 25/5 when looking at a price per gig is factored in.

However I would have to spend another 30-40 bucks then my current plan. Hopefully it goes down in the next year or two.

 

[RAM]

Indeed. For the same reason we should stop upkeep on roads since all that does is subsidise all the private companies that use them. Not to mention Medicare. Need to get rid of that because of all the companies who profit from being able to pay their employees less. Then HECS should go - if employers want qualified staff they should have to stump up for the degrees and training themselves.

Congratulations - you qualify to be a politician! I think you must own the world's no make that the universe's longest bow!

As has been pointed out many times - fast internet exists (with capacity) for quite reasonable prices prior to and now in competition with the NBN. In fact the previous Fed Govt legislated to PROHIBIT any further new competition for most centres (parallel operations).

A road benefits EVERY person and every business with something that otherwise is unavailable - a private company cannot compulsorily acquire houses/land to build new roads. However any business COULD set up in competition with the NBN until legislatively prohibited.

n fact, we should give up on the whole idea of public assets and public goods completely. Go the whole hog and sell off the entire country so the people own nothing and there is no common wealth to try and manage. Utopia !

Unless I miss something - that's what all colours of politicians have been doing for nearly 40 years actually. Head in sand?

Well, we could address that by ditching negative gearing and CGT discounts. Getting rid of novated leases. Then we could throw in a few more higher tax brackets at the $500k and $1m marks of, say, 75% and 90%. Implement a wealth tax. Implement the Buffet Tax.

You'd be behind that so that elderly pensioners didn't have to "wait in pain up to 3 years for a hip replacement", right ?

Well, if the NBN debacle had not been poured forth then the country (rural that is) would already have ubiquitous fast internet - remember the OPAL contract that KR tore up? Final implementation date was before his resurrection actually!

Wow. Just... Wow.

My thoughts exactly!

Perhaps you have missed the warnings about youth and social media/cough/stalking? NSW Police have been visiting schools to give briefings to parents (less tech savvy than yourself perhaps not that I'm assuming you're a parent). One of their 'early warning signs' in the presentations - blowouts in internet capacity before month end.


BTW - could you actually address the question I asked directly?

Why is the tax payer to subsidise certain vested (and powerful) commercial interests? News Corp even included it in an presentation to fund managers as a key profit driver once Rudd announced it. Didn't you know that?

 

[whatmeworry]

Last time I checked Rupert and Foxtel hate NBN.

 

[drsmithy]

As has been pointed out many times - fast internet exists (with capacity) for quite reasonable prices prior to and now in competition with the NBN.

I doubt we'll have to wait long for someone to come alone and tell us how they can't get "fast internet" at "quite reasonable prices".

Heck, I can only get ~8Mb ADSL2 and I live just 10km from the middle of Brisbane. I suppose I could go 4G instead to get into the 10s of Mb, but the hundreds of dollars a month it would cost is a bit on the spendy side.

But I'm sure you will proceed to define "fast internet" and "quite reasonable prices" in a way to suit your position.

A road benefits EVERY person and every business with something that otherwise is unavailable - a private company cannot compulsorily acquire houses/land to build new roads. However any business COULD set up in competition with the NBN until legislatively prohibited.

Bwahaha. And you're having a go at me for "politician speak".

Unless I miss something - that's what all colours of politicians have been doing for nearly 40 years actually.

Not all, just most. And it has produced a smorgasboard of rorts, rent-seeking and corruption.

Well, if the NBN debacle had not been poured forth then the country (rural that is) would already have ubiquitous fast internet - remember the OPAL contract that KR tore up? Final implementation date was before his resurrection actually!

LOL. So of predicted final implementation dates on paper are gospel, can we use the ones that the NBN would have hit if the Coalition hadn't buggered it up ?

Perhaps you have missed the warnings about youth and social media/cough/stalking? NSW Police have been visiting schools to give briefings to parents (less tech savvy than yourself perhaps not that I'm assuming you're a parent). One of their 'early warning signs' in the presentations - blowouts in internet capacity before month end.

So, to be clear, your argument against the NBN is hypothetical unlimited data plans making it less likely parents will accidentally discover their kids are looking at cough on the internet (I'll ignore the shameless attempt to try and conflate that with child abusers stalking kids on social media) ?

How do already existing unlimited data plans fit into this ? Should we be legislating against these services ?

BTW - could you actually address the question I asked directly?

You mean your comically loaded question ? I did. Maybe the point was too subtle.

Telecomms, like roads, water, electricity, and other forms of critical, natural monopoly infrastructure should be publicly owned. They should be "subsidised by the taxpayer" thus, to reduce the potential damage from private monopolies. and maximise their benefits across the entirety of society.

 

[drsmithy]

Last time I checked Rupert and Foxtel hate NBN.

As a media consumption platform, and massive piece of monopolistic infrastructure provided at little cost to them, they love it.

As a widely available and indiscriminately available content creation and sharing platform they hate it.

Hence the reason they are 100% behind the Coalition plan to prevent it from working well as the latter, while turning it into the former and privatising it.

 

[straitman]

Because you can't "hear each others conversations", would be the most obvious reason.

The word used was 'analogy' with the connotation of similarity, likeness or equivalence.

 

[ajw373]

In areas that are predominantly HFC they will extend HFC to surrounding areas that missed out.

Pure crazy mess but that's what we have got. At least HFC is better than FTTN!

 

[drsmithy]

The word used was 'analogy' with the connotation of similarity, likeness or equivalence.

Yes ?

Let's try from the other direction. In what ways do you think a fibre optic network backbone is like a "party line" ?

 

[ajw373]

I am pretty challenged by a lot of the NBN info so perhaps some of the more knowledgable members on here can help. We have just purchased a block that is in a new subdivision. The block is part way along a cul-de-sac with no current buildings on either side of the block & a koala corridor (so no houses) across the street. The NBN site now indicates we can expect FTTN. How does that work when I assume there is no existing copper network going past?

If an estate is under 100 houses Telstra becomes provider of last resort.

Over 100 houses the developer can ask a private company to provide service or NBN becomes provider of last resort.

Also yet to be formally confirmed but I've heard NBN are also looking at walking away from green fields FTTP for FTTN instead. FTTN is criminal as it is but even worse if they go that way greenfiellds.

 

[ajw373]

Pleased to say i just checked and i am in line for FTTP later this year. Can't wait for high speeds and no arguing over bandwidth.

Wow where are they still rolling out brown fields FTTP? You have won the Internet lottery.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

I seemed to be under the impression the NBN was going to guarantee a minimum 25Mbs connection to every Australian.

This is no longer true.

have a friend on FTTN who has a cable run over 1.5KM that is paying for a 25/5 plan but getting around 16000/840

A fault was raised with NBN but returned as above the minimum speed of 8789/540 at 1.5KM ie NBN are not guaranteeing anything better than ADSL at that distance. If anything it's worse as I've got a 2KM line and get 10Mbs on ADSL2+

Not quite the image we were presented at the lst 2 elections.

 

[moa999]

Re: NBN Discussiony

My understanding is for FTTN the minimum speeds during co-existence (the 18-mth period while PSTN and ADSL are running) is 12/1.
After this it becomes 25/5 as they can turn on/up the vectoring and other VDSL technologies

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I'd recommend your friend seek advice on the Whirlpool.net.au forum, and or try again with their RSP.
I'd also recommend they get a licensed cabler look at their internal home wiring - a second point (even if nothing plugged in) can cause reflections and really impact VDSL speeds (some of the posters on Whirlpool have seen speeds double after ensuring they only have a single line)

 

[whatmeworry]

I seemed to be under the impression the NBN was going to guarantee a minimum 25Mbs connection to every Australian.

This is no longer true.

have a friend on FTTN who has a cable run over 1.5KM that is paying for a 25/5 plan but getting around 16000/840

A fault was raised with NBN but returned as above the minimum speed of 8789/540 at 1.5KM ie NBN are not guaranteeing anything better than ADSL at that distance. If anything it's worse as I've got a 2KM line and get 10Mbs on ADSL2+

Not quite the image we were presented at the lst 2 elections.

NBN co terms have probably changed.

 

[zainman]

are there any plans faster than 100mbps/40mbps available for residential customers now?

 

[moa999]

are there any plans faster than 100mbps/40mbps available for residential customers now?

Skymesh offers up to 200/200. Not cheap though. I think restricted to FTTP only.
https://www.skymesh.net.au/services/nbn/fibre/plans.php

I believe these are based on the NBN 250/100, 400/200 AVC lines
http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam...ba2-product-catalogue-price-list_20150201.pdf