NBN Discussion

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

All depends on how close the node is.
Plenty can get 100/40.

The majority of FTTN connections I've seen at work are well below syncing at 100/40

Good cooper will give top speeds up to 500M. After that speeds drop pretty fast.

this is the speeds NBN deems as OK for various copper lengths



It's disappointing that the Govt has allowed NBN to use 1.5KM+ copper lengths. I've seen quite a few at work where customers are willing to pay for higher speeds but have lost out on node lotto.

 

[moa999]

this is the speeds NBN deems as OK for various copper lengths
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Indeed. The decision for such long line lengths is very short term thinking.

What is the source for that chart??
Does that mean the minimums of 12/1 during co-existence and 25/5 thereafter are out the window.

This is the best chart of possible FTTN speeds I've seen. (With thanks to Wahroonga Farm on Whirlpool)
http://s17.postimg.org/w64jpyai7/FTTN_Max_attainable_rate_vs_distance.png

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Indeed. The decision for such long line lengths is very short term thinking.

What is the source for that chart??
Does that mean the minimums of 12/1 during co-existence and 25/5 thereafter are out the window.[/url]

Wholesale Broadband Agreement | nbn - Australia's new broadband network

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam...nebs-product-tech-spec-fttb-fttn_20160901.pdf

no idea if things will get much better once coexistence is no longer required. be interested to hear the Liberals explain the difference between what was said during the elections and what the reality is.

 

[whatmeworry]

What is the source for that chart??

Also here.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam...ogue-nebs-product-tech-spec-fttb_20141219.pdf

 

[ajw373]

Indeed. The decision for such long line lengths is very short term thinking.

The whole VDSL2 rollout and HFC conversion is short term thinking.

 

[clazman]

Received a flyer in the junk mail today from telstra offering a 1000gb NBN plan.

Must be long term thinking here as our NBN is 3 years away

 

[TheRealTMA]

Received a flyer in the junk mail today from telstra offering a 1000gb NBN plan.

Must be long term thinking here as our NBN is 3 years away

Maybe it's 1000gb over three years.

 

[Moopere]

I've been getting bombarded with flyers over the last couple of weeks as NBN FTTN has finally arrived where I live in suburban PER. After initial interest I've settled back into 'meh' now. I'm syncing on ADSL2 at 20Mbps+ and can generally expect >1.3MB/s downloads. I've seen it as high as 1.5MB/S depending on the source. We can generally stream video content direct off the net to 3 devices without anyone in the house arguing.

So, all the plans being offered to me that are comparable in price to the ADSL2 I have now are at 12Mbps ... On face value, this doesn't sound like an upgrade to me and I'm tempted to just ignore the whole thing and continue to enjoy what has been a pretty stable and 'fast enough' cheap ADSL2.

Am I missing something basic here?

ADSL2 obviously has some serious overhead going on ... 20Mbps, stable, downloading at 1.3MB/S means that lots of headroom is lost in there somewhere. But at an 'up to' 12Mbps FTTN even if there were no overhead loss then surely the best I could hope for would be like-for-like ... its surely not going to be any quicker?

Some of my business customers would likely enjoy the (up to) 40Mbps upload speeds on the 100Mbps plans .... VPN's and the like will benefit here for sure, but average home users who aren't running their own web servers or something .... I feel like I'm missing something fundamental.

 

[jb747]

Two weeks since they connected the wrong house to 'my' NBN connection, and I still can't even get an appointment to get them to fix it. Keep away unless you have no choice.

 

[Pushka]

Am I missing something basic here?

You'll be cut off from ADSL in around a year. Some ADSL is fast - we are a distance from the exchange and its abominable. Sons ADSL is very fast. He is 100 metres away from the exchange.

 

[whatmeworry]

IIRC it is 18 months for ADSL cut off when NBN is switched in your area. If I had a choice between a good ADSL connection or a unknown FTTN connection, I would hold on to the ADSL connection till the end.

 

[cove]

On the 23rd of March our Marina del Rey internet is going to be 100 speed for no extra cost.

 

[JessicaTam]

Two weeks since they connected the wrong house to 'my' NBN connection, and I still can't even get an appointment to get them to fix it. Keep away unless you have no choice.

Time to get the TIO involved?

 

[amaroo]

FWIW I was told by a Telstra agent not to bother paying extra for faster speeds until the ADSL line was disconnected 18 months after activation.

 

[Moopere]

You'll be cut off from ADSL in around a year. Some ADSL is fast - we are a distance from the exchange and its abominable. Sons ADSL is very fast. He is 100 metres away from the exchange.

Is that right though? I've heard this before and admittedly I've not followed up with any research on the matter ... but ADSL is going to be shut down in about a year or so? All that infrastructure is just going to be pulled and junked? I'd have thought the cost of that would be enormous.

I mean, obviously, investment in keeping the old tech running will decline, markedly so, as time progresses - but I'd have thought we'd be in for a much slower and more natural retirement of the old gear over a very long period. Dial-up modem services, for example, continued to be available for many many years after the widespread introduction of ADSL. At some point of course its no longer economically feasible to continue to offer the old tech as a product and it has to go, I understand, but within 1.5-2 years??

I had thought that the introduction of the NBN would offer potential customers such a clear cut difference that ADSL subscriptions would just fall off the cliff - but having seen whats on offer to me, via junk mail flyers, I'm now unconvinced.

I understand that there are many many ADSL subscribers who suffer from appalling d/l speeds. I was one of them for a long long time, sitting behind a RIM I maxed out at 9Mbps sync with downloads around 400-500KB/S but that changed with some new equipment installation about 2 years ago and things have been stable at 20Mbps+ If I were still stuck on 9Mbps then NBN's offer of entry level at 12Mbps with (probably?) less protocol overhead and better d/l speed as a result would be a real upgrade .. given similar price the choice would be an obvious one.

 

[Pushka]

ADSL will be shut down within around 18 months only in areas that have NBN.

 

[dk4]

I just upgraded to TPG FTTB and VOIP, from ADSL 2+ and Telstra Home Phone - amazing!

Took all of 20 minutes from the technician first buzzing to come in to her departure. She checked I had my new router all organised, then went down into the car park to switch me over, then back upstairs to make sure the router connected correctly and finally a call to their network operations to get the official sign off on the connection - and she was gone in 20 minutes.... leaving me with a new 94Mbps connection*, unlimited data, my old Telstra number now churned to TPG VOIP, and all for $60 a month - awesome!

* independent speed test website

 

[moa999]

So, all the plans being offered to me that are comparable in price to the ADSL2 I have now are at 12Mbps ... .

What were you paying before for telephone and internet?
Agree having previously gotten 20/1 on ADSL your benefits won't be as much as for those on much lower speeds.

FWIW I was told by a Telstra agent not to bother paying extra for faster speeds until the ADSL line was disconnected 18 months after activation.

Incorrect imho. If you are close enough to the node you could get 100/40 now. When they switch off ADSL speeds might increase for those on lower speeds.

Is that right though? I've heard this before and admittedly I've not followed up with any research on the matter ... but ADSL is going to be shut down in about a year or so? .

Function of the technology. For FTTN the NBN reuses up to the first 1500m of copper and works better if it doesn't have to pass thru old ADSL connections from the exchange.

For FTTP, HFC - it's just that you have no-one paying to maintain the copper.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Function of the technology. For FTTN the NBN reuses up to the first 1000m of copper and works better if it doesn't have to pass thru old ADSL connections from the exchange.

Sadly I'm seeing more customer at the 1.5KM mark than I expected. Way too many customers not able to get 25Mbs, with the only hope is when the coexistence period is up they might get a bit more speed.

 

[Moopere]

I just upgraded to TPG FTTB and VOIP, from ADSL 2+ and Telstra Home Phone - amazing!
...

all for $60 a month - awesome!

Indeed! A very good deal. I wandered off for a look at this but alas, its limited to FTTB.