NBN Discussion

[jb747]

We've apparently reached the point at which all I get is silence from ISP/NBN. Just like their connection.

 

[moa999]

We've apparently reached the point at which all I get is silence from ISP/NBN. Just like their connection.

Have the NBN even sent out a tech??
As your neighbour says it should be a simple and quick job.
Stick a tone generator/warbler on inside your house. Go back to node and find the line, then plug it in and record properly.

 

[PLANT]

Silence = telecommunications Ombudsman + local member..... Registered letter to both.......

 

[whatmeworry]

ACCC to investigate slow speeds on the NBN. Probably get a report in 5 years.

The federal government will fund a broadband performance monitoring scheme run by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, communications minister Senator Mitch Fifield announced today.
Some 4000 volunteer households will have hardware installed to monitor the performance of their fixed-lined National Broadband Network services.
This year’s budget will earmark $7 million over four years for the new Broadband Performance Monitoring and Reporting (BPMR) program.

ISPs to be named and shamed: ACCC to monitor NBN speeds - Computerworld

 

[PLANT]

That's if it comes via the NBN email

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

ACCC to investigate slow speeds on the NBN. Probably get a report in 5 years.



ISPs to be named and shamed: ACCC to monitor NBN speeds - Computerworld

in some ways the reality of the situation needs to be conveyed to consumers. The attitude of I'm paying for 12/1 I should get 12/1 all the time is not realistic.

Lets look at the cost structure for that with NBN.

The AVC will cost $24 a month
12Mbs of CVC will cost $189 a month

Throw in up to $2000 a month per NBN POI a full height cabinet to store you equipment to connect to NBN, after paying up to $1500 to get it. Multiply these costs across 121 POIs.

There's a lot of 1 off costs in activation a CVC with NBN eg activating a 10Gbs port is $5000. If you need more than 1 access card for an NBN POI so you can have multiple techs work there, well that's $100 per card.

Then you can add backhaul, IP transit to access the internet, rent, staff wages, HW ++++

Now start to think about how slim the margins are on a $65 unlimited NBN plan at 12/1

To give the customer 1Mbs of backhaul will cost you 24+15.75 = $39.75

That leaves you basically $25 to pay all the other costs you have and try to make a profit.

 

[Quickstatus]

Yup governments are very good at promising first class service but prices it at third class levels. But the populace then get conditioned to expect that. Such is the problem facing us all.

Its our fault too. We cannot seem to get it through out thick heads that you pay for what you get. everytime!

 

[dk4]

So sorry to read bout your NBN hassles jb747, but thank you so much for posting, as it prompted me to be proactive about checking the NBN situation at my holiday home.

Basically the same thing as whatmeworry linked to already - https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/04/...e-activations-leave-homes-offline-for-months/

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barred from reconnecting these ADSL customers due to Telstra Wholesale's "Cease Sale" regulations, introduced as part of Telstra's complex agreement with NBN which was overseen by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. The Cease Sale regulations take effect 10 days after an area is declared NBN Ready For Service, banning Telstra Wholesale from supplying new copper connections ...​

I think I was about to get caught in a quagmire? As the bureaucrats at NBN have decided to roll out FTTN where my holiday home is, but I have never bothered to have a landline phone line installed there (mobile reception is poor, but for the amount of time the place is occupied, sufficient), so there is no copper pair connection to the exiting Telstra network at my place.

Anyway, I've signed up now to get Telstra to install a home phone, before August when the suburb is declared "ready for NBN service"; and thus presumably Telstra will no longer install copper wire connections, and NBN won't install anything physically from the node to my place! And I doubt any NBN-reseller will come out and dig a ditch and install wiring for a connection to the node either!

So being declared "NBN-ready" would likely have meant that I was in fact declared "ready for nothing", even less than I could get now (which I think would be a very slow ADSL1 if I was lucky, once the Telstra connection is made). So thanks again all at AFF prompting me into action.

 

[moa999]

Theoretically the NBN would install a copper line (or reconnect an unused one) but it's unlikely to be a normal process - so I think you've done the right thing

 

[RB]

Has anybody got a good link/knowledge of info to consider for our situation? We are building a new home & the NBN site suggests that the connection will be FTTN.

 

[whatmeworry]

We've apparently reached the point at which all I get is silence from ISP/NBN. Just like their connection.

Might be bad news JB.

[h=3]Stuck in broadband limbo[/h] Beginning around December 2016, the NBN HFC cable installation issues have plagued new customers across the cable network signing up with various Retail Service Providers (RSPs) – but appear to predominantly affect TPG and MyRepublic customers migrating from ADSL copper lines to NBN cable.

Jesse of Glen Iris has been without home internet or dial tone since early February, forcing his partner to run her online business via expensive mobile broadband. A TPG ADSL customer, Jesse signed up for the NBN but the service refused to activate after NBN installers connected his home to the cable network in February.

On the same day TPG disconnected Jesse's ADSL-based broadband service and has refused to reconnect it, with TPG call centre staff insisting that TPG is legally forbidden from reconnecting the ADSL service. After researching the problem online, Jesse convinced TPG's support staff to grant him access to a temporary "raddy" ADSL account but this service was cut off after two weeks.

NBN cable rollout delayed as HFC 'false activations' leave homes offline for months

 

[moa999]

Has anybody got a good link/knowledge of info to consider for our situation? We are building a new home & the NBN site suggests that the connection will be FTTN.

Your builder should know this - each of gas, water and telco/NBN have their requirements
http://www.nbnco.com.au/develop-or-...ld-install/lead-in-conduit-build-process.html

 

[RB]

Your builder should know this - each of gas, water and telco/NBN have their requirements
Lead-in Conduit build process | nbn - Australia's new broadband network

Yep the land developer has apparently met all requirements. I guess I was hoping people may have some tips/hacks of things for us to consider in our house design/wiring/fitout

 

[ajw373]

It's a hard one because everyone's requirements are so different.

Take me for example I built a new two story house about this time last year.

What I have is an outdoor NTD (my house is fibre to the house). The NTD is in a meter box style enclosure. Inside I have around about 50 outlets spread all over the house and have 6 cables to the NTD. One for each service possible

My 50 odd sockets are terminated in a data rack in my pantry.

I also have two UniFi access points mounted on the ceiling, one up and one downstairs. These cable back to a UniFi switch in my data cabinet.

Any device I have that can be cabled is cables with Wifi only being used by those devices without an Ethernet port.

Obviously my solution is a tad over the top but being a comms didn't cost me much as I did most of it myself anyway and got the parts at trade prices.

I also have a cubs home automation system which is tied to the internet too. But that's another story.

 

[TheRealTMA]

It's a hard one because everyone's requirements are so different.

Take me for example I built a new two story house about this time last year.

What I have is an outdoor NTD (my house is fibre to the house). The NTD is in a meter box style enclosure. Inside I have around about 50 outlets spread all over the house and have 6 cables to the NTD. One for each service possible

My 50 odd sockets are terminated in a data rack in my pantry.

I also have two UniFi access points mounted on the ceiling, one up and one downstairs. These cable back to a UniFi switch in my data cabinet.

Any device I have that can be cabled is cables with Wifi only being used by those devices without an Ethernet port.

Obviously my solution is a tad over the top but being a comms didn't cost me much as I did most of it myself anyway and got the parts at trade prices.

I also have a cubs home automation system which is tied to the internet too. But that's another story.

Sounds an ideal solution. But building a new house is a luxury option most of us don't get to do or only 1/2 times. Would love to do a new build and put in what you've done plus CBus or the system you have, plus solar and batteries. Unfortunately, not gunna happen so have to be content with whatever NBN etc can offer. Sigh.

Currently we are on Telstra cable at 110Mb/s so one of the lucky ones. Being in inner Brisbane, we are scheduled for NBN in two more changes of government so who knows what we will end up with.

 

[moa999]

There is a large Home Cabling thread on the Whirlpool forums which is worth a read + the Wiki pinned at the top
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2551153

Simple message is cable more now - a lot easier (and cheaper) without walls - even if running a bunch behind the wall and not terminating them (but recording where they are) and run everything back to a centralised cabinet. Use Cat6 for everything.

Consider things like future security cams, multiple cables for tv areas, music systems, roof based wifi points

While there are some solutions for distributing tv signals over Cat6 using Cat6-Coax baluns I'd probably still be running Coax to Tv points, ideally with the splitter in the same centralised cabinet

 

[ajw373]

It's a hard one because everyone's requirements are so different.

Take me for example I built a new two story house about this time last year.

What I have is an outdoor NTD (my house is fibre to the house). The NTD is in a meter box style enclosure. Inside I have around about 50 outlets spread all over the house and have 6 cables to the NTD. One for each service possible

My 50 odd sockets are terminated in a data rack in my pantry.

I also have two UniFi access points mounted on the ceiling, one up and one downstairs. These cable back to a UniFi switch in my data cabinet.

Any device I have that can be cabled is cables with Wifi only being used by those devices without an Ethernet port.

Obviously my solution is a tad over the top but being a comms didn't cost me much as I did most of it myself anyway and got the parts at trade prices.

I also have a cubs home automation system which is tied to the internet too. But that's another story.

Sounds an ideal solution. But building a new house is a luxury option most of us don't get to do or only 1/2 times. Would love to do a new build and put in what you've done plus CBus or the system you have, plus solar and batteries. Unfortunately, not gunna happen so have to be content with whatever NBN etc can offer. Sigh.

Currently we are on Telstra cable at 110Mb/s so one of the lucky ones. Being in inner Brisbane, we are scheduled for NBN in two more changes of government so who knows what we will end up with.

The person I was responding to was also new build but your right new build does open up a lot of opportunity.

Re your NBN you should get it a lot sooner delivered over your Telstra cable. So really not much difference to you except being able to choose a different service provider and if you want a 'landline' having that delivered over NBN.

My wifi system though is not a bad option even for established houses. With Ubiquiti you can just buy the access point, costs start at around $150, then connect that to you NTD and away you go. In my case I also have a raspberry Pi as a controller but that doesn't need to be on 24x7 unless you doing guest control and the like.

Again my case I also have a switch and a second access point so my wifi investment was closer to $500 so about double the cost of a reasonable wifi router.

 

[ajw373]

There is a large Home Cabling thread on the Whirlpool forums which is worth a read + the Wiki pinned at the top
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2551153

Simple message is cable more now - a lot easier (and cheaper) without walls - even if running a bunch behind the wall and not terminating them (but recording where they are) and run everything back to a centralised cabinet. Use Cat6 for everything.

Consider things like future security cams, multiple cables for tv areas, music systems, roof based wifi points

While there are some solutions for distributing tv signals over Cat6 using Cat6-Coax baluns I'd probably still be running Coax to Tv points, ideally with the splitter in the same centralised cabinet

Yeah I did much the same as well. Every plate also had a TV socket back to the main cabinet and about half had dual Foxtel sockets too. I doubt they will ever get used but double story thought best to future proof whilst I could. I also put a coax cable to the NTD location as heard NBN were looking at delivering TV over the NTD (but that was when fibre was the main solution) plus the estate I live in was originally Transact (hence why I have an outdoor NTD) which did provide TV over fibre so thought for cost is 15m cable should put it in just in case.

Here is a pic of my cabinet whilst being built. I am not living in house at moment so don't have current picture. Move back soon.

 

[whatmeworry]

Professor Rodney Tucker describes Malcolm Turnbull's MTM as a national tragedy.

The disastrous rollout of Australia’s NBN is a national tragedy, according to new research by one of the country’s most respected engineers.

Professor Rodney Tucker, of Melbourne University, argues that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s fateful decision as Communications Minister to opt for Fibre to the Node (FTTN), has been an extremely costly disaster.
While the rest of the world is opting for Fibre to the Premises (FTTP), Australia is embracing an obsolete technology.
Professor Tucker’s paper, The Tragedy of Australia’s National Broadband Network, just been published in the Australian Journal of Telecommunications and Digital Technology, argues that a worldwide tipping point has been reached.
Globally, the majority of connections are now through FTTP. Australia is one of the very few countries using mass deployment of FTTN, with poor results.
Professor Tucker concludes: “This situation is nothing short of a national tragedy and a classic example of failed infrastructure policy that will have long-term ramifications for Australia’s digital economy.”

 

[codash1099]

Of possible interest:

NBN shakes up the Multi-Technology Mix with more fibre to the curb

(As an aside, when did "kerb" become "curb"?)