New Qantas route - Perth to Paris from July 2024

[Sprucegoose]

Anyone with Qantas staff travel has easy access to these figures and are under no obligation to not post the figures, nor have any obvious agreement to not share. There are many apps around also asking for loads for staff travel enquiries.

Is it published data? Could we obtain access through this site, perhaps?

 

[BD1959]

I wonder if this route is making money for Qantas? Over the past month, loads have been regularly under 100 pax. I realise that this time of year outbound to Europe may not be as strong, however the numbers are pretty low. Example, this past Wednesday just 47 pax were on QF33 PER-CDG

... and yet QF robbed MEL of the 787 to LHR to initiate this service.

Regards,

BD

 

[kevrosmith]

Anyone with Qantas staff travel has easy access to these figures and are under no obligation to not post the figures, nor have any obvious agreement to not share. There are many apps around also asking for loads for staff travel enquiries.

I don't particularly mind what other people do with information/data they have access to and where they share that info. When you work at an airport for the airport owner (which is an assumption I've made about where aegeanflyer is working, but I might be wrong), then you have access to commercially sensitive data provided under commercial agreements from airlines, retailers etc. Those agreements state that the data is provided to the airport operator for a particular purpose, and shouldn't be disclosed or shared elsewhere. Sure, having made a few assumptions, I'm just encouraging the OP to be mindful if they do have access to that data from the airport owner.

YMMV

On a side note, most airports receive multiple pax feeds for arrivals and departures from various sources - airlines, ground handlers, govt depts - I'm sure people would be surprised at how many discrepancies there are on pax numbers on actual flights - you'd think they'd be the same number, but they never are. It was always a challenge to try to reconcile pax number differences. (for e.g. some pax numbers wouldn't count lap-infants, some wouldn't count dead-heading crew etc.)

 

[mbell1510]

The latest international airline activity report from BITRE released today shows that the seat utilisation on QF34 inbound from Paris to Australia in November was 52.8 per cent and 75 per cent on the outbound QF33.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/international_airline_activity_1124.pdf

 

[torks]

The latest international airline activity report from BITRE released today shows that the seat utilisation on QF34 inbound from Paris to Australia in November was 52.8 per cent and 75 per cent on the outbound QF33.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/international_airline_activity_1124.pdf

And we know how many flights there are per month and how many seats per flight, so easy to calculate a monthly passenger number....

52% ain't great.

 

[Comoman]

Arrival or departure or both?

To the best of my recollection both

 

[markis10]

And we know how many flights there are per month and how many seats per flight, so easy to calculate a monthly passenger number....

52% ain't great.

Depends on the RPK, seat utilisation is a poor indicator for route performance, Bonza had high % of seats filled often yet we know how that turned out.

 

[torks]

Depends on the RPK, seat utilisation is a poor indicator for route performance, Bonza had high % of seats filled often yet we know how that turned out.

True, but noone goes into the market targeting 50% utilisation

 

[Capricornus]

True, but noone goes into the market targeting 50% utilisation

SYDLAX could have 50% load factors in some months - in one direction - yet the route is viable. Need to look at load factors of the round trip service - 65% based on this data. (Besides, November is one of those months again - right after school holidays.)

 

[bussyboy]

Possibly progressing off-topic, but do the freight loads have more an impact on the viability of routes, rather than pax? Any idea how much freight goes into the belly of plane on the PER-CDG route?

 

[Ansett Nostalgic]

The latest international airline activity report from BITRE released today shows that the seat utilisation on QF34 inbound from Paris to Australia in November was 52.8 per cent and 75 per cent on the outbound QF33.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/international_airline_activity_1124.pdf

So people are flying from PER into CDG, but then must be coming back to AU via some other way...?

 

[Daver6]

... and yet QF robbed MEL of the 787 to LHR to initiate this service.

Regards,

BD

Robbed? Did MEL somehow own the 787?

 

[justinbrett]

All I’m hearing is next time you fly to Europe, take this flight!

 

[mbell1510]

All I’m hearing is next time you fly to Europe, take this flight!

As needing to dash across today France in March it's suddenly peaked my interested haha

 

[Capricornus]

Possibly progressing off-topic, but do the freight loads have more an impact on the viability of routes, rather than pax? Any idea how much freight goes into the belly of plane on the PER-CDG route?

Enough to make what is already a payload restricted premium heavy sector viable. BITRE data shows some freight stats but freight is not only weight, it’s volumetric space as well that makes money.

 

[TheInsider]

Is it published data? Could we obtain access through this site, perhaps?

A prominent app is called Stafftraveller. Don't know what is needed to sign up anymore, but you can 'pay' for requests.
You can gain access by having a login
sto.qantas.com
But basically all the flight load data, shows how many available seats in all cabins, including if there are oversales and also other staff listed.
Soon enough staff travellers will have loads available via the Qantas app supposedly, with out the need to login to the staff travel website
For example this is what would be seen
.
All OT sorry.

 

[LondonAussie]

All I’m hearing is next time you fly to Europe, take this flight!

A friend took this flight recently in economy, I told them they were crazy - 17 hours on the 787 in economy!?

After they landed they told me it was the best long-haul flight they ever took - so empty that most people got a row to themselves. Though apparently an announcement was made several times asking people to stop moving seats and to return to their allocated seat due to weight and balance.

They also said CDG airport was the worst they've ever been to, which I'd agree it's pretty bad for EU standards at least.

 

[Mattg]

Well, yesterday’s PER-CDG flight had 32 pax in Y. PE less than half full but J completely full.

Today’s CDG-PER has only 3 empty seats on the whole plane though.

 

[LondonAussie]

I like the timing on the CDG-PER as it allows for a 6pm arrival into the east coast, whereas the LHR-PER timing gets you to the east coast after 10pm, or QF2 to SIN brings you into a 6am arrival. I usually go EK or QR for their better timing (to me) but would actually consider LON-CDG-PER-MEL if they sold that on 1 ticket, especially if I could start from LCY and avoid LHR. Though no doubt connecting through CDG would be a nightmare, so I'd probably try it once then realise never again!

The QF5/6 (FCO) also had preferable timing (to me) but it's only seasonal (as I expect this CDG flight will eventually end up being).

 

[Easy Tiger]

How coughe does Qantas continue to be....