Now You're Flying Virgin Australia

[LiamR]

This isn't exactly a fair compairson.

QF have moved a fair few international config A330's and 747's onto the SYD/MEL-PER route. While VA currently have two A330's.

Taking the worst of Qantas, and the best of Virgin isn't a fair comparison. That photo of QF is lightyears ahead of Virgin's 737 product.

 

[oz_mark]

Taking the worst of Qantas, and the best of Virgin isn't a fair comparison. That photo of QF is lightyears ahead of Virgin's 737 product.

Are DJ selling a 737 business product?

 

[Noob]

My post was explaining why there was such an uproar due to the original 2-3-2 arrangement on Qantas A330s.

In regards to your post Liam:

Qantas has been putting 747s onto the route, and taking them off again for years - just shows how little they care about their guests, and how much they care about making a short term profit.

On a random day, Monday 24th of October SYD-PERTH

Qantas:

3 flights on A330-200 (35-38'' pitch)
1 flight on 747-400 (60'' pitch)
9 flights on 767-300 (35-38'' pitch)
4 flights on 737-400 (35-38'' pitch)
1 flight on 737-800 (35-38'' pitch)

Cheapest Business class ticket $2014.00

Virgin Australia:

3 flights on A330-200 (62'' pitch)
2 flights on 737-800 (38'' pitch)(PE $749)

Cheapest Business class ticket $1399.00


It seams that Qantas mainly is using very old 767 and 737-400 aircraft on this route. Only one flight from SYD comes close to VA's 62" pitch which is available three times a day out of SYD.

And in my opinion, it is worth saving $1200 by flying Virgin PE in a new 737-800 than forking out $2000 to fly Qantas Business on a 767/737-400 when you get the same legroom.

This review is very insightful:

The Battle of the Business Classes: Qantas' Boeing 747 and Virgin Australia's Airbus A330 from Perth to Sydney - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller

 

[Oneworldplus2]

^Cheers for that link Noob.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Wow, that's a huge difference!

Steady on.Compare the Int conf QF aircraft to be fair!!

 

[pauly7]

This isn't exactly a fair compairson.

QF have moved a fair few international config A330's and 747's onto the SYD/MEL-PER route. While VA currently have two A330's.

Taking the worst of Qantas, and the best of Virgin isn't a fair comparison. That photo of QF is lightyears ahead of Virgin's 737 product.

Yes agree.

Virgin PR going a little bit crazy on the red cordial in the Village!!

As a side note some more people were walked from Virgin HQ recently... Wonder if crazydave was caught up in all that??

 

[markis10]

As a side note some more people were walked from Virgin HQ recently... Wonder if crazydave was caught up in all that??

Considering he is still there until tomorrow and has a month in France planned, I dont think it was forced, but rather a good time to leave on good terms!

 

[Noob]

Steady on.Compare the Int conf QF aircraft to be fair!!

Int conf A330's on the Perth-Syd route are a rarity, as are 747 flights which average once a day in each direction. The majority of flights are on old 767s and 737-400s with a business class pitch of 35-38''. See my post above where I compare, the results seam to be a common trend when I compared the randomly picked days to other days.

At the end of the day we are comparing DOMESTIC business class - not Int configs. Qantas has been offering cr*p domestic business class, 35-38" is disgusting for the premium business guest pay, and now they have competition offering 62'' in a domestic configuration they are putting one or two flights a day with a 747 and A330(Int).


And what is really shocking is that QF think they can charge $1200 more than VA to fly their business class SYD-PER, when 90% of the time their seats have the same legroom as VA premium economy!

 

[Major]

Considering he is still there until tomorrow and has a month in France planned, I dont think it was forced, but rather a good time to leave on good terms!

I'll have a Bollinger La Grande Annee 1996 please CrazyDave

Bollinger

 

[oz_mark]

Steady on.Compare the Int conf QF aircraft to be fair!!

How does showing the 747 allow for a comparison between the two A330 configurations.

The purpose of the photos was to show the difference between 2-3-2 configs of the A330, and why it was less of a problem in the Virgin Australia configuration than it was in the Qantas configuration.

I don't buy the argument that a comparison to the Qantas int config 747 is appropriate to do this.

 

[Misha]

I don't buy the argument that a comparison to the Qantas int config 747 is appropriate to do this.

Nor do I. There are a couple of things we are doing here. 1) we are comparing A330 configurations on that route, or 2) we are comparing the business class seating options of each airline. That excludes us looking at either Y or Y+ on either category.

No one is being selective by saying look at the J in these two planes in the case of Virgin - as that is there entire fleet with J class at the moment. Noob has been completely upfront and provided all the options that QF have across the Syd-Per path as well. Whilst some come close, most do not, and the comparison of the dollar (probably the most relevant issue) is clearly demonstrated.

Sorry guys, there is no Virgin Flag Waving or Qantas Bashing going on here - and yes some will come to conclusion that is it all subjective to each individuals understanding - but for this little AFFer, on the day in question, the seat pitch was shown to be demonstrably different - as a more affordable price. Virgin takes this round.

Now, if we look at some of the other options, say Mel-Bne in J, well then clearly at this stage Virgin cannot even compete due to a lack of that product and QF are a clear winner.

This game is only on the first roll of the dice though people. Sit back, hide your cards from the sneaky person next to you *I mean you Liam!*, pour yourself a drink and let the fun begin....

 

[oz_mark]

Nor do I. There are a couple of things we are doing here. 1) we are comparing A330 configurations on that route, or 2) we are comparing the business class seating options of each airline. That excludes us looking at either Y or Y+ on either category.

No one is being selective by saying look at the J in these two planes in the case of Virgin - as that is there entire fleet with J class at the moment. Noob has been completely upfront and provided all the options that QF have across the Syd-Per path as well. Whilst some come close, most do not, and the comparison of the dollar (probably the most relevant issue) is clearly demonstrated.

Sorry guys, there is no Virgin Flag Waving or Qantas Bashing going on here - and yes some will come to conclusion that is it all subjective to each individuals understanding - but for this little AFFer, on the day in question, the seat pitch was shown to be demonstrably different - as a more affordable price. Virgin takes this round.

While there is a comparison across the board, I think noob's post needs to be read in the context it was given. Specifically, a comment was made about the 2-3-2 configuration in J, to which the reply was that there was more leg room compared to what Qantas had offered, in the 2-3-2 configuration. Pictures were provided to support that conjecture.

In return, folk said that it was not a valid comparison, as Qantas fly the 747 and A330's with international config. They may well do that, but that does not seem to be an argument that the 2-3-2 config on DJ is bad. The whole point of the comparison was to illustrate that with the extra legroom provided, that being in the middle seat was not as bad a proposition as it would be with less leg room.

This is not waving flags on either side, I am just saying that noobs comments were entirely appropriate for the point that was trying to be made.

 

[serfty]

Here a list of today's QF SYD-PER flights:

  QF575 SYD PER 332
  QF581 SYD PER 744 (Skybed)
  QF577 SYD PER 763
  QF569 SYD PER 763
  QF571 SYD PER 763
  QF583 SYD PER 332

Tomorrow's Schedule?

  QF575 SYD PER 332
  QF581 SYD PER 744 (Skybed)
  QF577 SYD PER 332 (Skybed)
  QF569 SYD PER 763
  QF571 SYD PER 763
  QF583 SYD PER 332

 

[Sprucegoose]

How does showing the 747 allow for a comparison between the two A330 configurations.

The purpose of the photos was to show the difference between 2-3-2 configs of the A330

, and why it was less of a problem in the Virgin Australia configuration than it was in the Qantas configuration.

I don't buy the argument that a comparison to the Qantas int config 747 is appropriate to do this.

It was more subtle than that!!!!

 

[Sprucegoose]

Int conf A330's on the Perth-Syd route are a rarity, as are 747 flights which average once a day in each direction. The majority of flights are on old 767s and 737-400s with a business class pitch of 35-38''. See my post above where I compare, the results seam to be a common trend when I compared the randomly picked days to other days.

At the end of the day we are comparing DOMESTIC business class - not Int configs. Qantas has been offering cr*p domestic business class, 35-38" is disgusting for the premium business guest pay, and now they have competition offering 62'' in a domestic configuration they are putting one or two flights a day with a 747 and A330(Int).

And what is really shocking is that QF think they can charge $1200 more than VA to fly their business class SYD-PER, when 90% of the time their seats have the same legroom as VA premium economy!

Nothing shocking about a market based economy..............both Qantas and Virgin will charge what the market will bear. Virgin are discounting to Qantas becuase they want to increase their market share (one must ask is this sustainable?)

Seating is one thing, there is service and loyalty rewards et al to consider as well......so while I can understand seat dimensions, they are not necessarily the X factor in why one flies a particular airline.

BTW I do like competition and think what Virgin has done is good for Virgin and travelling Business. Would I fly them - No!!! I have too much tied up with QF.

But i will not fly the 737-400 - you note that QF! My money - my choice.

 

[Misha]

This is not waving flags on either side, I am just saying that noobs comments were entirely appropriate for the point that was trying to be made.

I agree - I was referring to others *glares at those people*

 

[markis10]

I agree - I was referring to others *glares at those people*

So is that your rant for today

 

[Noob]

I concur, I was making a point after someone complained about Virgin's 2-3-2 without even flying in it or knowing the details of the configuration.

All I was trying to do was show evidence to back up my point that it was only ever a problem at Qantas because of the little legroom.

 

[Misha]

So is that your rant for today

Nope - today's rant was the same as yesterdays: due to a cancelled conciliation I was actually in the office (first time in like a month) so got to tell my story to anyone that would listen - and to some who wouldn't

Noob: we get it - it's all good. Say it with me, one - two - three: Meh!

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Steady on.Compare the Int conf QF aircraft to be fair!!

A picture (or pictures as the case maybe), says a thousand words Spruce