Nuts on board - a serious issue!

[mannej]

The mother said there was a general announcement (probably at the beginning of the flight). It doesn't mean a specific person could not be given a personal warning a few more times later.
Bottom line, if the men didn't hear any of the announcements/warnings then it was simply a tragic mistake but I just find it hard to believe an airline would ban someone for life due to an honest mistake. It makes more sense to me that he deliberately ignored the crew's orders on a potentially life threatening situation and therefore became persona non grata on Ryanair.

It is believable that Ryan Air would ban the pax without asking questions. I still am not convinced the warnings were face to face...

 

[Sprucegoose]

Reading the article again I see Ryan Air didn't put the plane down but probably continued straight to the destination? I would want to be banned from this airline

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I look forward to reports of masses of nut-eating commuters being banned from the tube when this girl's parents decide to take her on a train trip in the future.

One would assume that parents would not take her on trains, or buses. Just cars and taxis..

However when it comes to needing to move from country to country there is little is little option to use a public option like a plane unless one is very wealthy.

Personally I am a bit surprised at the lack of empathy from some in this thread for what is a very real problem.

One of my daughters friends has a severe nut allergy. When he visits we have to de-nut the house, and not use nuts for a while prior.

He lives in Dubai, and when he flies it is a stressful time for him.

He has had episodes in public places, and has been admitted to hospital on a number of occasions with severe life threatening reactions.

 

[boomy]

It is believable that Ryan Air would ban the pax without asking questions. I still am not convinced the warnings were face to face...

We can only work with what we know. After reading the articles and the action took by the airline, it looks like the man knew exactly what he was doing.
Sure there is a possibility of faulty PA system or language barrier but I couldn't find anything to indicate that was the case.

 

[opusman]

it looks like the man knew exactly what he was doing.

What he was doing was eating nuts.

 

[mannej]

We can only work with what we know. After reading the articles and the action took by the airline, it looks like the man knew exactly what he was doing.
Sure there is a possibility of faulty PA system or language barrier but I couldn't find anything to indicate that was the case.

The mother quoted in the linked article it was mentioned on boarding and during the trolley run. I still maintain that there is a possibility the man did not either hear the messages or he chose to ignore it. Very easy to hang one out to dry without the full story.

 

[boomy]

The mother quoted in the linked article it was mentioned on boarding and during the trolley run. I still maintain that there is a possibility the man did not either hear the messages or he chose to ignore it. Very easy to hang one out to dry without the full story.

What makes you believe the airline didn't check the details before giving the ban?

 

[trippin_the_rift]

The big question on my mind is why the mother did not have an epipen on her!! Sure the guy might have been a dick but at the end of the day its the mother's responsibility to look after her daughters safety.

If you know your daughter has these reactions you always carry at least 2x epipens(one as backup in case of failure).

Kids die of these reactions all the time and this girl would have died without proper help (keeping in mind she would be dead with in 5mins if her reaction was bad)

The mother should be reported to child protection services for failing to ensure her child's safety.

 

[aaflyer]

One would assume that parents would not take her on trains, or buses. Just cars and taxis..

However when it comes to needing to move from country to country there is little is little option to use a public option like a plane unless one is very wealthy.

Personally I am a bit surprised at the lack of empathy from some in this thread for what is a very real problem.

One of my daughters friends has a severe nut allergy. When he visits we have to de-nut the house, and not use nuts for a while prior.

He lives in Dubai, and when he flies it is a stressful time for him.

He has had episodes in public places, and has been admitted to hospital on a number of occasions with severe life threatening reactions.

I have a nephew with a nut allergy that's almost as high on the allergy scale as you can get.

Unless he has direct contact with nuts, or someone that has eaten nuts (say kissing them or similar), he's fine. I'm not disputing the article, I have jut not ever heard of someone being so allergic that 4 rows away would impact them.

 

[DC3]

They won't want to sit at the pointy end on AA. Warm nuts served on most flights.

Also, exactly what is announced on these "nut warnings"? I don't recall ever hearing one, not that I've flown on Ryanair.

 

[Austman]

They won't want to sit at the pointy end on AA. Warm nuts served on most flights.

Yes. Are they peanuts? Not in my experience.


https://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInformation/specialAssistance/allergies-meds-meals.jsp

Although we do not serve peanuts, we do serve other nut products (such as warmed nuts)

 

[Deleted member 29185]

The big question on my mind is why the mother did not have an epipen on her!!

I've found this alternate article which suggests they did have one of those epipens but couldn't use it. A medically trained person had to be found on board who could inject her for them. That is just amazing. To have a child with such a condition but not be able (or willing?) to medicate her.......

 

[DC3]

Yes. Are they peanuts? Not in my experience.

Mostly a mixture of cashews, almonds and a few brazil nuts from my experience on AA.

Peanuts? Have I missed something here? The article didn't mention any specific nuts from what I saw.

 

[Austman]

Peanuts? Have I missed something here? The article didn't mention any specific nuts from what I saw.

Try Google - other publications of the same story mention it was peanuts. Peanuts seem to be the big problem.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I've found this alternate article which suggests they did have one of those epipens but couldn't use it. A medically trained person had to be found on board who could inject her for them. That is just amazing. To have a child with such a condition but not be able (or willing?) to medicate her.......

The way I read it, as the girls conditioned worsened she was injected (with the epipen that they were travelling with), and as as by that time they had a nurse and ambulanace driver attending that they did it for the parents whic would seem quite logical to me.

A call by the cabin crew for medically trained passengers produced a nurse and an ambulance driver, who offered to inject Fae with her Jext “epi” pen.
Fae, who will start at Heathlands Primary School next month, regained consciousness and was taken by ambulance to Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford, Essex, when the plane landed.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

I've found this alternate article which suggests they did have one of those epipens but couldn't use it. A medically trained person had to be found on board who could inject her for them. That is just amazing. To have a child with such a condition but not be able (or willing?) to medicate her.......

Epipens are designed to be used by anyone. You just open the back part and jab it in. Works through clothing and all.

The girl was unconscious for minutes too...wtf!! The young child with a developing brain too. Could easily be brain damage because the mother failed to have basic knowledge of her daughters health condition.

Seriously the mother failed here. She went to the media and isn't taking responsibility for her own actions. Some people don't deserve to have children.

 

[Pushka]

Well I'm confused about the mothers statement:

"They said there was a child on board with a very severe nut allergy, so no nuts purchased in the airport should not be consumed and they would be selling no nuts on the flight," Fae's mother Katy said.
Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/health/2014...enger-ignores-nut-warning#t9hdlw1dh8tdEmEA.99

I thought every parent (or responsible self sufferer) would know how to use an epi pen.

I guess this means she doesn't travel on public transport?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The mother quoted in the linked article it was mentioned on boarding and during the trolley run. I still maintain that there is a possibility the man did not either hear the messages or he chose to ignore it. Very easy to hang one out to dry without the full story.

Maybe this part may be pertinent:

After Fae was released late last Tuesday, Katy voiced her concerns on Facebook in a post which has since been shared nearly 2,000 times.
She said she believed the man had wilfully ignored the warnings and claimed the person sitting next to him even asked him not to open the packet.


If so then he knew what he was doing, and he did it anyway.

 

[DC3]

Try Google - other publications of the same story mention it was peanuts. Peanuts seem to be the big problem.

Ah. Thank you. I was using the information provided in the thread.

Also, on the above AA link, I see that they also advise: " .. We do not provide nut "buffer zones" ... ... customers may bring peanuts or other tree nuts on board. Therefore, we cannot guarantee customers will not be exposed to peanuts or other tree nuts during flight, and we strongly encourage customers to take all necessary medical precautions to prepare for the possibility of exposure".

Would there be a reason why parents aren't able to administer the injection to their child when it is potentially life-saving, and could happen on any airline, train, bus or elsewhere.

 

[mannej]

What makes you believe the airline didn't check the details before giving the ban?

The airline in question - Ryan Air. It's the type of airline who would act on what is best for its publicity before it had an answer.

There is enough in the article to suggest that there are some credibility issues in what is being presented.