Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[whatmeworry]

Abbott had no problem standing in front of these signs.

 

[Moody]

Moody when it comes to the Electorate of Fisher you really don't know what you are talking about.
Mal Brough had the numbers to defeat Peter Slipper in the preselection of 2010.Slipper was saved by the amalgamation of the Liberal and National parties.One clause in that agreement was that sitting members were not to be challenged for preselection.
Mal Brough had absolutely no need to white ant Slipper.Slipper had done that to himself convincingly.

So I take it from your comments that :-

A.) The rest of my post is true and you acknowledge it as such, and
B.) The politically motivated charges that were savaged by the judge, were a complete waste of time by the soon to be village idiot of Fisher

Or is there another interpretation of that political farce?

 

[drron]

So I take it from your comments that :-

A.) The rest of my post is true and you acknowledge it as such, and
B.) The politically motivated charges that were savaged by the judge, were a complete waste of time by the soon to be village idiot of Fisher

Or is there another interpretation of that political farce?

Moody once again you are reading from the ALP notebook.A central part of their allegations was the fact that Mal Brough had an ulterior motive to white ant Peter Slipper.As I said that is simply untrue.without that the rest of their and your's story has no basis.
I really don't know the real story but Ashby had starred in the local media on a few occasions.Mainly for such acts as throwing a press reporter's camera away and similar stupid things.His complaints certainly stopped all those stories.

I was once told by a prominent and in my opinion honest politician that in politics if there was ever a choice between a conspiracy and a stuff up the stuff up wins every time.It is about time you looked at the possibilities of stuff ups rather than conspiracies.

PS.Do you really believe judges get it right every single time?

 

[whatmeworry]

Moody once again you are reading from the ALP notebook.

Makes me wonder how many Blue Tie posters are Liberal party members or staffers?

 

[Sprucegoose]

Abbott had no problem standing in front of these signs.

Now that's just democracy..l

Whats wrong with that?

 

[Moody]

Moody once again you are reading from the ALP notebook.A central part of their allegations was the fact that Mal Brough had an ulterior motive to white ant Peter Slipper.As I said that is simply untrue.without that the rest of their and your's story has no basis.
I really don't know the real story but Ashby had starred in the local media on a few occasions.Mainly for such acts as throwing a press reporter's camera away and similar stupid things.His complaints certainly stopped all those stories.

I was once told by a prominent and in my opinion honest politician that in politics if there was ever a choice between a conspiracy and a stuff up the stuff up wins every time.It is about time you looked at the possibilities of stuff ups rather than conspiracies.

PS.Do you really believe judges get it right every single time?

I am not a member of the ALP, and I know nothing of this notebook you speak of. So you say that Mal Brough had no reason to undermine Peter Slipper, so that means "the rest of their and your's story has no basis"?

Sorry - I should have added one more statement :- I am not a moron.


Oh .... and judges are not infallible but rarely get it completely wrong, and only the saddest Tony Abbott sycophant would claim it to be the case here.

 

[drron]

Makes me wonder how many Blue Tie posters are Liberal party members or staffers?

I have been upfront with all my political affiliations.At University I was a member of the ALP and considered an extreme left winger.
The shenanigans of the Whitlam government turned me off the ALP and my membership lapsed.When I got out into the real world I found my youthful ideals did not really fit the real world.I publicly campaigned for my hospital and for that the then Health minister in NSW,Kevin Stewart, launched a personal attack on me.So I joined the Liberals.

Yes I was a campaign manager in Local government,State and federal electorate campaigns culminating in me standing for the federal seat of hunter in 1984.The reaction of the ALP to that campaign made me make the decision that I would never ever support them again.I remained a member of the Liberal Party until I moved to QLD.I was a senate preselector and a member of their Health Advisory committee.I voted for the Liberals federally in 1993 but have not voted for them since and have belonged to no political party since then.
My experience though does give me some insight into political life and so feel that some of the sanctimomious posters of the left are so wide of the mark so must try and point that out.I know I will never change their thoughts but to make decisions people do need to hear both sides of an argument.

A good example on lateline to night with the Health minister berating Tony Abbott for not putting RU486 onto the PBS when he was Health minister.Shows you she really is not on top of her portfolio as the decision by PBAC to recommend RU486 to go on the PBS was only made in 2012.

 

[drron]

I am not a member of the ALP, and I know nothing of this notebook you speak of. So you say that Mal Brough had no reason to undermine Peter Slipper, so that means "the rest of their and your's story has no basis"?

Sorry - I should have added one more statement :- I am not a moron.


Oh .... and judges are not infallible but rarely get it completely wrong, and only the saddest Tony Abbott sycophant would claim it to be the case here.

So you agree when Tony Abbott's assault case was thrown out the judiciary got it right.
I did not imply that you are a moron just that you really don't know the status of liberal party machinations in the seat of Fisher.Your accusations are those of the ALP hence my statement.

 

[whatmeworry]

Now that's just democracy..l

Whats wrong with that?

Problem with that pic is negative gender connotations directed at a female Prime Minister. He might not have endorsed those placards but perhaps on a sub conscious level he didn't have problem with them. Problem is we will really never know, but Abbott has set a standard since his leadership of relentlessly attacking this Prime Minister. She is not my cup of Tea however I do think a number of the coalition do not like her simply because they are envious of her.

 

[Skyring]

Well that makes describing the PMs sexual organs ok then. Especially when the description includes the word "big", clearly implying she is a person of low morals. 'But she called me fat.' Anyone who can support that pathetic school yard excuse has nothing of value to say.

Try reading, I never made such a claim.

Turns out, neither did the Liberals. It was an in-house joke of the restaurateur and those at the dinner never saw that private version of the menu.

I'm seeing a pattern of behaviour here. Starting with that Australia Day fracas last year. Lies are told to spark a political storm.

On investigation, the truth is exposed and it isn't what was first claimed.


Presumably the mud that was first thrown is intended to stick, while the truth is still getting its boots on, as it were.


You are absolutely right, Debbie, this sort of thing is schoolyard humour and demeans us all, especially those who are supposed to best placed to be the example set to Australians. And the world. This thing is now being reported overseas.


How can we be confident in our leaders if they go off half-coughed? I'm thinking of Malcolm Turnbull and his "Utegate" here as well as these half-baked shots full of confected outrage emanating from the Prime Minister's office.


They don't check their facts. They sling whatever is to hand at the opposing team. They have an eye on the next headline, not the long term view. Are these the leaders we want? People who we cannot trust to tell us the truth?

 

[Skyring]

Abbott had no problem standing in front of these signs.

Perhaps because when he began talking, the signs weren't there.



The Age and the ABC both ran this shot, the ABC's more artfully cropped, making it appear that TA was standing in front of a huge sign. Other images of that sign from the day show that it was made up of three A3 sheets of paper. You can see the bulldog clips holding it together. However, unless each sheet of paper is a metre tall, it is obviously not behind the speaker.

Did TA stand in front of this sign when he began speaking? Or did the sign's holder walk around behind him to gain more prominence?

I say that we are seeing some more confected outrage on this issue. Rather than use the truth, more immediate benefit is gained by misleading. Tell lies about the opposing team and trust that some of the mud will stick.

But when we have a leader who does not tell the truth, whose promises cannot be trusted, we cannot depend on them and we turn our faces away. This applies for every leader everywhere. If they are misleading their followers, they lose authority.

Do we want such people running the national government?

 

[Skyring]

Problem with that pic is negative gender connotations directed at a female Prime Minister. He might not have endorsed those placards but perhaps on a sub conscious level he didn't have problem with them. Problem is we will really never know, but Abbott has set a standard since his leadership of relentlessly attacking this Prime Minister.

Name me an Opposition Leader who doesn't.

Come to that, name me a Prime Minister who doesn't take shots at the Opposition Leader. Julia Gillard relentlessly attacks Tony Abbott, doesn't she? Her face contorts with anger and hatred on the videos.

 

[Pushka]

So now the menu is off the list can we get back to Gillard calling Hockey a fat man. Or does Gillard think she is the only one entitled to call the gender card or does she think that only men can be sexist? Gillard does not speak for women and she doesn't get that.

 

[joeymelb]

It is OK for Gillard to criticize men and their blue tie... if I am to comment on her dress standard in a negative way, I will be hauled against "Women for Gillard" firing squad for being a sexist, tasteless misogynist...

It would appear that it is no longer possible to have negative thought or have a private joke about Gillard anymore without dire consequence.

I really would like policy details from Gillard on NDIS and Gonski. So far, I have failed to find any specific details on how extra funding could boost school performance? As a frequent traveler to Asia with first hand Japanese education system, I can strongly say that majority of government schools here are severely under performing due to poor teacher quality, lack of student discipline and parents treating school as a "babysitting" centre instead of a place for learning. Again, the sexism attack is sickening and frankly I prefer to hear what Gillard and her cabinet have to say about the policies rather than the string of attacks. Vice versa for Abbott et al! I want to know about how they will stop the boats, improve school, manage NDIS (whatever it is...)

Please!!! I want policy discussions not attacks.

 

[medhead]

The menu is on the list still. Brough knew about it yesterday morning when questioned. It is also now all over the front page of the Australian. So it is not an in house joke anymore.

Oh and the blue tie was clearly a comment about Abbott and his 2IC not their standard of dress or presentation.

 

[tgh]

For those who are not msn followers..

Julia Gillard - 'Blue Ties' aka 'Smoke Screens'! - parody - YouTube

some very creative folks about hey ...

 

[Skyring]

The menu is on the list still. Brough knew about it yesterday morning when questioned. It is also now all over the front page of the Australian. So it is not an in house joke anymore.

The point about the menu is that Gillard and Rudd and the rest thought it was something deliberate - a poor joke at Gillard's expense distributed to the jolly diners at a Liberal fundraiser. Haw haw haw.

As we know now, it wasn't made public to anyone at the event. An inhouse joke that was kept under wraps until one of the staff put it on their Facebook and someone else then tried to make political capital out of it, sending it to the PM's office. How timely that it surfaced just when Gillard's "feminist abortion" speech backfired.

And how delightful that this too backfired when it emerged that Abbott, Hockey and Brough knew nothing about it until the story broke, and they then promptly condemned it.

Julia Gillard is becoming increasingly desperate as the blue-tied Kevin Rudd closes in.

 

[Skyring]

More on the menu. Even "David Carter" the political leaker, throws water on the PM's story.

David Carter, the chef who posted a photo of the menu on Twitter on Wednesday, rejected Mr Hockey's claims that he never saw the menu.
"There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the owner/manager showed it to him. I know that guy too well," he tweeted on Wednesday night...

Note carefully that he is not claiming to have actually witnessed Hockey being shown the menu. He is guessing. More to the point, he is acknowledging that the menu was not distributed to the diners. If the menu was on the tables being read by the guests, then there would be no need for the owner to show it.

Here is the Labor party - well the pro-Gillard bit of it - in damage control mode:

Gillard menu explanation convenient: Wong

 

[Pushka]

Cling to the menu if you need to medhead. As far as The Australian, dont you find it a little alarming about this:
LABOR women have questioned a restaurant owner's claim that a menu demeaning Julia Gillard never left his kitchen.

So, where are the LABOR MEN in all this.
(Sorry about the bold - I copied it from The Australian and I can't seem to change it - but I did do the RED)

Oh, and Brough DID NOT know anything about it. Shame.

 

[The Rok]

Much ado about nothing....