Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Skyring]

Interesting polls out today.

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I thought the interesting figure was Labor on 29% and the analysis of her support amongst the sexes was that she'd turned off 7% more men and gained no corresponding traction amongst women. The traction faction gave no satisfaction.

On the face of the graphic above, the smiling face of Rudd hides a disaster. The public might love him, but his party hates him, in particular anybody who has worked under him as a minister. Not to mention his blatant leaking, disloyalty and the certainty of a purge of epic proportions should he again get his finger on the triggers of power. The seamless transition that would see a Rudd government even hold onto the hung parliament is pure fantasy - at the very least a Rudd coup would generate a wave of leaks to the hungry journalists.

Over on the Liberal side, the public love for Malcolm Turnbull is apparent enough, but there can be few - I suggest only one - in the Liberal party room who would want to dump Tony Abbott, who is poised to deliver a whopping majority government. Why on earth would they re-elevate Turnbull, whose lacklustre performance as Opposition Leader once inspired them to consider Joe Hockey as a credible replacement?

My opinion on the figures above is that the voters who have been moving away from Labor under Julia Gillard are not doing so because they love Abbott's Liberals. They would vote Labor if Rudd was steering the ship - and here I am irresistibly drawn to an image of Clive Palmer and Kevin Rudd wrestling over the helm - and they would be happiest to vote Liberal if the very wet Malcolm Turnbull was running the show.

Whatever, it's going to be one of those "long time in politics" weeks here in Canberra.

 

[drsmithy]

So much for the Creationist theory having no substance at all or are we humans that arrogant that we have accidentally given the Creationist theory the proof that it should never have needed in the first place?

Creationists argue that a particular religion's god, a supernatural, omnipotent entity, created the universe, earth and humanity.

How do IVF, cloning, or even genetic engineering - none of which require supernatural powers, omnipotent beings, or specific religious beliefs - support their position ?

 

[Moody]

I am not the one distorting the truth.

Is that the best you can do - a glib statement with absolutely no evidence? We're done here .....

 

[drross]

Thank goodness

 

[Moody]

I thought the interesting figure was Labor on 29% and the analysis of her support amongst the sexes was that she'd turned off 7% more men and gained no corresponding traction amongst women. The traction faction gave no satisfaction.

Yes - it was a tactic doomed to failure.

Australia IS a racist and sexist country, but rubbing their nose in it is no way to teach a puppy the right thing to do .... let alone a delinquent society. [In both instances the usual response is coprophagia, which is evident in the backlash against JG.]

No - the best tactic is to reward good behaviour. Unfortunately all we are getting at the moment is "I'm not a sexualist, but ....."

 

[drross]

Yes - it was a tactic doomed to failure.

Australia IS a racist and sexist country, but rubbing their nose in it is no way to teach a puppy the right thing to do .... let alone a delinquent society. [In both instances the usual response is coprophagia, which is evident in the backlash against JG.]

No - the best tactic is to reward good behaviour. Unfortunately all we are getting at the moment is "I'm not a sexualist, but ....."

i thought you were done already

 

[Moody]

i thought you were done already

Only with drron and the Slipper/Ashby/Brough debacle. Skyring (like Australian social values) is a work in progress ......

 

[tgh]

I dunno .. without moody we are mostly just chatting among ourselves.
Who else is left attempting to defend the indefensible .. hang around moody.


oopsie.. sorry mods..'twas written with a smile and intended no offence... message received and understood

 

[serfty]

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I may be getting a little world weary or just a little cynical; but I have this feeling that some posts here are being made just to look for a response rather than engaging in any meaningful or gainful discussion.

Generally, If I feel such, I simply choose not to respond.

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[medhead]

I dunno .. without moody we are mostly just chatting among ourselves.
Who else is left attempting to defend the indefensible .. hang around moody.

You'll find that most are avoiding the coalition group think session that is this thread. Otherwise, your comment is laughable given the coalitions supporters continued hypocrisy in demanding higher standards for the current government than they do of the coalition. Talking about defending the indefensible, in you little group think chat sessions. Until you bother to apply the same standard to both sides there is nothing of value in this groupthink session. Even Piers Akerman can see and acknowledge when the coalition is wrong.

As per a mod, I ignore the blinked groupthink in this thread.

I can't imagine why your dogs have turned into psychopathic **** eaters.

 

[TheEmu]

[MOD HAT OFF]

I may be getting a little world weary or just a little cynical; but I have this feeling that some posts here are being made just to look for a response rather than engaging in any meaningful or gainful discussion.

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[/MOD HAT OFF]

I see. Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?

 

[joeymelb]

Australia IS a racist and sexist country

Personally, I would call Malaysia a Racist country, after all, it is enshrined in the country's very own constitution to deny the Chinese and Indians a good education (within the country). As for Sexist especially Homophobic, I can think of quite a few Arab states that fit the bill.

In Australia, the law does not PUBLICLY discriminate against race, gender and sexual orientation. Fellow Australians, on the other hand, could be racist/sexist, but as a whole, Australia is neither.

I believe in Mono-Culture, Mixed-Multi-Racial, Melting Pot Australia. I am ethnically Chinese, my partner is ethnically Irish, my nephew and nieces are Quarter Chinese, German, Indian and Irish. All my family and in-laws have in common is that we embrace Australian Culture and melting our ethnic background into that single Culture.

For me, Australia IS NOT racist and definitely NOT sexist. Gillard and Swan love to compare Australian Economy with the world, let's compare Sexism and Racism with our neighbors like Indonesia, China, Japan, Malaysia.... Compare to them, we are neither!

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Note: That's my opinion and from my personal experience living in Australia for nearly 20 years.

 

[Skyring]

You'll find that most are avoiding the coalition group think session that is this thread.

Criticising the disaster that is the ALP does not necessarily mean that one therefore supports the Coalition, any more than giving Apple a serve means one is a Microsoft fanboy.

Rudd exhibits psychopathic behaviour, and Gillard thinks that there's a political solution to every problem. Both have been appallingly inept leaders.

 

[tgh]

way ot now .. fyo medhead , dogs routinely eat the digestive by product of horses...it is a common,almost normal, behaviour...there is no accounting for taste

 

[medhead]

Criticising the disaster that is the ALP does not necessarily mean that one therefore supports the Coalition, any more than giving Apple a serve means one is a Microsoft fanboy.

Which is not what I said at all. More that attacking people who wish to put a spotlight on the coalition, who will form the next government, is what marks a coalition supporter. Rudd, Gillard etal are irrelevant, they're gone. What will replace them is the most important question in the run up to this election.

 

[medhead]

way ot now .. fyo medhead , dogs routinely eat the digestive by product of horses...it is a common,almost normal, behaviour...there is no accounting for taste

The behaviour of dogs is not in question. What I find disgusting is that you would imply that people who don't agree with your political views of having a fetish with eating excrement.

 

[tgh]

Well it was intended as light hearted banter, so I apologise to you and anyone else who was/is disgusted.
As an old feller , I have difficulty coping with this "new world" sensitivity , but that's my problem not yours.

 

[medhead]

I accept your apology, but perhaps not the 'new world' sensitivities angle.I can't help but feel you would have got your block knocked off in the old days for saying [a group of people] were fascinated with eating excrement. Light hearted or otherwise.

Anyway, back to normal programming.

 

[medhead]

Barnaby Joyce just outlined precisely why Rudd can't return as PM on QandA.

 

[Skyring]

Which is not what I said at all. More that attacking people who wish to put a spotlight on the coalition, who will form the next government, is what marks a coalition supporter.

Hardly. Not every participant in the discussion here is attacking others. Those who indulge in personal attacks are varied in their team loyalties.

You were talking "coalition groupthink", and I don't see that as being an accurate description of this thread. It's wider than that.