Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[drsmithy]

Wish it went back further to show a bigger trend:

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Your implicit argument is that all those Governments faced identical economic conditions. This is laughably wrong.

Maybe this will help, and give appropriate context:

People focusing on Government debt are ignoring the herd of elephants stampeding through the house. Though admittedly some of them simply subscribe to the moronic neoliberal idea that private debt is irrelevant.

 

[QF WP]

Your implicit argument is that all those Governments faced identical economic conditions. This is laughably wrong.

Again, I made no argument - however perception is reality to some. However, your chart certainly fleshes out some data for a debate .

 

[Pukka]

A nice use of selective data to support your argument. What about including the timescale of when the world (and by definition Australia) enters recession.

When things are going well the party in power should be accumulating a large surplus to tide us through the hard times. However, the Liberal party (including the wannabe PM Abbott) squandered billions of dollars on middle class welfare instead of saving for the inevitable bad times. They left a small surplus which was used by the Labor government to shield Australia from the worst of the GFC.

In this instance statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is interesting, what they conceal is essential.

Another way to interpret the graph would be that Australia only goes through "hard times" when Labor is in power.

Funny that.

Statistics have been used to hide some big coughs for sure but the bigger they are the harder they are to hide

 

[amaroo]

Again, I made no argument - however perception is reality to some. .

Oh, how I know that feeling!

You can end up copping all sorts of abuse - simply by posting a couple of charts

 

[whatmeworry]

This is a classic.

[video=youtube_share;3V--9cIScz8]http://youtu.be/3V--9cIScz8[/video]

 

[medhead]

I never used the word disqualify or forms thereof.

I did employ the phrase 'may affect any experiential credence', no more and no less.

I didn't say you did.

Oh, that was me.......you must have me mistaken for someone else as I've got NFI what you're going on about!

No I know it was you and I know you picked one figure out of about 5 or 6 and ignored the rest.

 

[medhead]

Again, I made no argument - however perception is reality to some. However, your chart certainly fleshes out some data for a debate .

Given I haven't found your post of this using the phone App. And I've been dealing with real issues that almost got me on tv again (figuratively). Surely making such a comparison assumes conditions are the same?

 

[amaroo]

No I know it was you and I know you picked one figure out of about 5 or 6 and ignored the rest.

The very act of posting.....means I wasn't ignoring:!:

 

[medhead]

Another way to interpret the graph would be that Australia only goes through "hard times" when Labor is in power.

Funny that.

Statistics have been used to hide some big coughs for sure but the bigger they are the harder they are to hide

That the point isn't it. Australia always turns to the ALP in hard economic times to fix things. Like how Hawke/Keating fixed the Fraser/Howard mess and gave us continuous economic growth, even through the Asian crisis.

Oh, how I know that feeling!

You can end up copping all sorts of abuse - simply by posting a couple of charts

Your interpretation of the chart is the problem not the chart itself. Not sure how many times you need to have this pointed out before you get it.

 

[amaroo]

Your interpretation of the chart is the problem not the chart itself. Not sure how many times you need to have this pointed out before you get it.

You can post & point all you want - I still have NFI what you're talking about.

 

[medhead]

The very act of posting.....means I wasn't ignoring:!:

Yep, but the very fact that your post said only one figure was relevant and all the rest was a load of cough is a clearly articulation of you ignoring the other numbers.

 

[medhead]

You can post & point all you want - I still have NFI what you're talking about.

Being generous, I'd say you choose to have NFI. But isn't that always the way with blind followers of fashion.

 

[drsmithy]

Another way to interpret the graph would be that Australia only goes through "hard times" when Labor is in power.

Because everyone knows national economies turn on a dime and within mere hours of an election result, have restructured themselves to reflect the policies of the new Government.

 

[amaroo]

Yep, but the very fact that your post said only one figure was relevant and all the rest was a load of cough is a clearly articulation of you ignoring the other numbers.

Ok, go & get the post where I said that.....I look forward to seeing something that doesn't exist.

 

[medhead]

inappropriate school buildings, etc?

As already mentioned, the building my kids' school brought was highly appropriate. It is a shame that state governments failed to realise value for the dollars. But then that is a failure of the state education department.

 

[medhead]

Ok, go & get the post where I said that.....I look forward to seeing something that doesn't exist.

Not too hard, 73 seconds of searching this thread. Look not further and ignore the rest. Seems your version of does not exist, isn't the same as a unicorn not existing.

Feel free to go well past the last 6 years to see the numbers.

Look no further than the chart headed - Government Net Debt......tells it - like it is:!:

 

[amaroo]

Yep, but the very fact that your post said only one figure was relevant and all the rest was a load of cough is a clearly articulation of you ignoring the other numbers.

Not too hard, 73 seconds of searching this thread. Look not further and ignore the rest. Seems your version of does not exist, isn't the same as a unicorn not existing.

You have a very funny way of proving your point - dead set. Like I said - get the post where I said it's a load of cough.

As you can't - you just proved be correct - thank you!

I'm starting to feel like I'm in an argument with the wife

 

[medhead]

You have a very funny way of proving your point - dead set. Like I said - get the post where I said it's a load of cough.

As you can't - you just proved be correct - thank you!

I'm starting to feel like I'm in an argument with the wife

Oh I see. You are very literal aren't you. Hope this helps you understand. You said it was a load of cough or words to that effect. There you go and that post is certainly representative of replies that you've made to my posts about that figure. I've found the apparently non-existent post and quoted it. You can go off and find your posts where you said exactly the same in reply to me. Including the old line about statistics.

The posts exist as I demonstrated. Sorry if your selective memory ignores what you've said.

Or in summary: It exists, there is nothing further for you to debate. This is my final word on your false claim.

 

[amaroo]

Oh I see. You are very literal aren't you.

You would be well served by reviewing a few thousand of your own posts

I didn't say anything of a sort. No matter how many times you post that I did - it doesn't change the facts:!:

 

[medhead]

You would be well served by reviewing a few thousand of your own posts

I didn't say anything of a sort. No matter how many times you post that I did - it doesn't change the facts:!:

This is about you, not me. You did say it the quote is there as you demanded. QED.