Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Moody]

Geez, you feeling all right?

No I'm not alright .... this thread abounds with scoundrals who misrepresent the truth!

I posted proof - not my problem you don't want to admit it.

Proof of your original claims? No. Proof that you should write for Murdoch? Yes.

Moods as I have already posted - in 07 three News Corp top selling Editors and their spreads (OZ, Daily Tele, Courier Mail) backed Rudd into Government - TRUTH.

Newspapers by convention publish an editorial (look it up) on the eve of an election that gives an opinion (look it up) about which of the parties has done a more credible job in the election campaign. This is a different beast to the normal behaviour where they are supposed to give a fair and balanced account of the news.

Interestingly in the link you supplied the split was about 50/50 with the most notable events being that *gasp* some News Limited papers had recommended a vote for Labour/Rudd and The Age had declined to make any editorial opinion about who to vote for.

Unlike your wild accusations that News Corp never ever write anything good about the ALP and back the Libs every time - I backed it up with print/fact. I can understand why you're upset.....never good when facts are presented against totally unsubstantiated claims of bias.

Where did I make this "wild accusation". Please quote me where I have said that "News Corp never ever write anything good about the ALP and back the Libs every time". The so-called "facts" that you have desperately trotted forth give absolutely no credence to your argument that Howard in 2007 suffered the same bias from News Limited that Rudd is enduring now.

If I could ask you to repeast your own words whilst staring into a mirror :-

"I can understand why you're upset.....never good when facts are presented against totally unsubstantiated claims of bias"

Them the facts![sic] The big difference between 07 and now? 6 years of rotten government. It took Howard 11 years to turn the people off-side including the nations editors. This poor excuse of an ALP team has achieved a hell of a lot more in half the time.

I have no problem with News Limited coming down on the side of the Coalition in their editorials. It would be strange if they didn't and as was pointed out in your own link, 2007 was a bit of an anomoly. But that is not the topic you brought up, so why have you backed away from your original claims? Maybe they weren't a core promise??

How I feel about things and how I vote have nothing to do with you - Thank you, very much. This is AFF not some trade union forum

Oh don't worry - I had you picked for a swinging voter from the outset .... just like Skyring. And I'm not a member of a trade union so I am puzzled by your comment. Poor attempt at an insult perhaps?

I worry about you - getting this worked up 3 weeks out from a LIB/NAT victory doesn't bode well for the future.

I am in no doubt that the Coalition will win government. I am also in no doubt that they have done nothing to deserve it, but that doesn't seem to bother many people.

Go back and read your own post.....very quick to spew out the insults.

Only to those that started it first by insulting my intelligence. Why don't you go back to proving your claim about Howard having to endure the same News Limited bias in 2007 ...... but I will understand it if you choose not too. Hard to back up a lie, isn't it?

I'm very comfortable that I'm not adding any inflaming posts to the ones you contribute. Including this one

You need to learn how to play nice.......the Mods must be getting sick & tired of this stuff:!:

I am sick and tired of people who don't have the integrity to say - "I may have exaggerated a teensy bit and I withdrawn my previous unfounded statement". Go on - give it a try...

 

[medhead]

I didn't realise the coalition did a backflip on education policy. A policy that now involves giving extra cash to the states, catholic and independent schools with no strings attached. Hang on, isn't no strings attached the problem the coalition, and their supporters, have with BER?

Then there is the paid parental leave policy that costs $6 billion and is completely unfunded. Well the coalition counts their great big new levy on a small number of companies as funding. But then they are compensating those companies by giving them back exactly the same amount of money as the new levy will collect. The new levy will also be made in a reducing source of income.

Sounds a hell of a lot like a tax that isn't going to collect any money. Sounds a hell of a lot like the carbon tax. Didn't the coalition say that was bad?

Plus then they are also giving a tax cut to all the other companies. Further reducing government income.

We're in hard economic times, disastrous economic times. But these clowns are spending spending spending. They're implementing a policy that will be a massive drain on the budget. A policy that is only supported by the greens. They are doing everything they attack in the current government. Yet all their policies will lead to nothing but worse deficit for the budget. What a mob of hypocrites. Anyone who supports this outright cough has got rocks in their head.

 

[Pushka]

We're in hard economic times, disastrous economic times. But these clowns are spending spending spending. They're implementing a policy that will be a massive drain on the budget. A policy that is only supported by the greens. They are doing everything they attack in the current government. Yet all their policies will lead to nothing but worse deficit for the budget. What a mob of hypocrites. Anyone who supports this outright cough has got rocks in their head.

That is exactly the way I feel about the current Government. Except instead of just promising it, they have already spent it. And more.

 

[amaroo]

No I'm not alright .... this thread abounds with scoundrals who misrepresent the truth!

It might be time to hit the ignore button - hopefully, you'll have no problem finding it

 

[Skyring]

I didn't realise the coalition did a backflip on education policy. A policy that now involves giving extra cash to the states, catholic and independent schools with no strings attached. Hang on, isn't no strings attached the problem the coalition, and their supporters, have with BER?

Not at all. The problem was that there were too many strings. Schools had very little say in what they got - often they would have a pressing need for some quite different structure - and the waste and poor planning left many school boards fuming. As was very well reported.

As for backflips, as for hypocrisy, we need do no more than quietly examine Rudd's approach to asylum-seekers.

We're in hard economic times, disastrous economic times. But these clowns are spending spending spending. They're implementing a policy that will be a massive drain on the budget. A policy that is only supported by the greens. They are doing everything they attack in the current government. Yet all their policies will lead to nothing but worse deficit for the budget. What a mob of hypocrites. Anyone who supports this outright cough has got rocks in their head.

Did you say the same when Rudd handed out $900 cheques as a response to the GFC? When Gillard bent over for the Greens? When both Rudd and Gillard enthusiastically supported the NBN, which is turning out to be a gold-plated white elephant?

I could go on, but if we are to be fair, we must recognise that all sides of politics go in for the same sort of behaviour and we can't really round on one side for doing what the other side did last time the shoe was on the other foot.

We could be more fair-minded in our approach, condemning bad behaviour and applauding good behaviour from both sides. Wouldn't that be marvellous?

 

[Skyring]

No I'm not alright .... this thread abounds with scoundrals who misrepresent the truth!

Gold!

 

[cove]

Let's all make certain that our current crop of politicians cannot get hold of our 1.4 trillion dollar stash of superannuation.

 

[Pushka]

Let's all make certain that our current crop of politicians cannot get hold of our 1.4 trillion dollar stash of superannuation.

Which is why I was opposed to the thought they should have been under Government control from the get go. But that pot of money must be sorely tempting for them. All of them. Hands off.

 

[amaroo]

At some point in time all parties will come for it.....they'll have no other choice. Raise taxes/GST and/or grab super - they'll all raid super.

 

[wmetz]

When the GST was introduced. Who got the real blame, wasnt it some party called the democrats. How many members do they have now? Labor been the only party that tried to cut middle - high income welfare, yet people believe Tony will reverse their decisions.

 

[Moody]

We could be more fair-minded in our approach, condemning bad behaviour and applauding good behaviour from both sides. Wouldn't that be marvellous?

And that's platinum!!!

[Who's up for the P1 award?]

 

[Moody]

I've just had a Eureka! moment that has been bugging me for a long time.

Q. Who does Tony Abbott remind me of?
A. A cross between Arnold Rimmer and Kryten with the guilt chip removed.

Definitely Prime Minister material there!

 

[Pushka]

When the GST was introduced. Who got the real blame, wasnt it some party called the democrats. How many members do they have now? Labor been the only party that tried to cut middle - high income welfare, yet people believe Tony will reverse their decisions.

Howard from memory. And it was hardly blame. We knew he wanted to bring it in. It was a clear election statement.

I've just had a Eureka! moment that has been bugging me for a long time.

Q. Who does Tony Abbott remind me of?
A. A cross between Arnold Rimmer and Kryten with the guilt chip removed.

Definitely Prime Minister material there!

Shame I dont have a clue who you are talking about. Not that it makes any difference to my day.

 

[Moody]

Shame I dont have a clue who you are talking about. Not that it makes any difference to my day.

Wrong era, eh? How about Gomer Pyle? Or Gilligan?? Or Flipper???

And I think the only way I can make it through the next 3 years is for Joe Hockey to implode due to an unforseen black hole in his gastric band, and Tony Abbott decides to bring back Peter Costello as treasurer. Then we can all laugh along with the rest of the world at our deliberate joke, and hide our shame behind closed doors. Sorry - that will be your shame that Abbott is the very best Prime Minister that Australia can offer.

 

[cove]

So Moody you would prefer the Government of ONE??
Heck if he chucks a maddie on a plane I am on I might help toss him off.
We may be warped on AFF but Kevin is something else.
How has Labor picked Latham, Rudd and Gillard? Something wrong in their selection panel is what I am thinking.

 

[Pushka]

Wrong era, eh? How about Gomer Pyle? Or Gilligan?? Or Flipper???

If you are trying to cast aspersions on people who dont know your non mainstream references then that's just pathetic. What does "era" have to do with that?

 

[casanovawa]

I am in no doubt that the Coalition will win government. I am also in no doubt that they have done nothing to deserve it, but that doesn't seem to bother many people.

Moods, I'm sorry to be the one to have to break this to you, but no, the majority of Australians don't give a toss about what you're not in doubt of or just believe in general, so no we're not all losing much sleep over your views...

Tony Abbott decides to bring back Peter Costello as treasurer. Then we can all laugh along with the rest of the world at our deliberate joke...

I actually think a lot of Australian's would be happy to have Costello back as Treasurer... Having had to put up with that colossal mediocrity Swan for 6 or so years would make many Australian's look back fondly on Pete...

 

[casanovawa]

If you are trying to cast aspersions on people who dont know your non mainstream references then that's just pathetic. What does "era" have to do with that?

It was a reference to Red Dwarf the UK comedy, but a poor one...

 

[medhead]

At some point in time all parties will come for it.....they'll have no other choice. Raise taxes/GST and/or grab super - they'll all raid super.

Or stop bringing in unfunded middle class welfare. There's an idea.

 

[medhead]

If you are trying to cast aspersions on people who dont know your non mainstream references then that's just pathetic. What does "era" have to do with that?

Non-mainstream?! Are you kidding? I don't know anyone in the generation following the baby boomers who doesn't know rimmer and Kyrten (sp?).