Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Well, I am single. Not a single parent, but single. Solo. I am not a "family" in the eyes of either party, so I'll just ignore as much as I can. I am sure I will be asked to fork out again for all the "families" out there irrespective of who gets in.
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Interesting strategy announcing the date this far out. Wonder if it will put any pressure on the Libs to announce some proper policies? One could dare to dream that the press gallery might find something stiffer than a wet lettuce to flog them with if they don't.

I don't get this line of thought! I'm a lady so I should be spared criticism?

Don't forget this politician stabbed another in the back to get the gig - when was that ever acceptable!

Since Abbott did it to Turnbull, perhaps? Or since Keating did over Hawke? Mabye the Howard and Peacock wars (they probably didn't even bother washing the blade between exchanging thrusts)? Or perhaps since Caesar, even? No politician ever gets the top job by sitting back and waiting for it to fall into their lap (Hi Pete! :p). It might not be "ladylike", but Gillard got to where she is by the same method that every other political leader did - by having the numbers and taking her chance. Probably also fair to note that Rudd got rather caned in the spill last year too, so there doesn't seem to be a lot of buyer's regret in the ALP.

Just because Tony says it doesn't make it true (well, except for the part about him saying that he's dishonest, I guess). The main reasons why the "backstabbing" line is still alive is because of sexism and that the press gallery are still sooking about not knowing about the spill until it happened, therefore having to be reporters rather than their preferred role of players. Look at how much currency they put in even the slightest whiff of a Rudd comeback since about 5 seconds after he got dropped. There are still some idiots who think that he has a chance of being PM before the election. :shock:
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

However, it's ok for a women to broadcast to the nation that the man is a misogynist ? The pot calling the kettle black:!:

The only thing worse than being a misogynist is being called a misogynist.
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Of course Gillard is happy to smear others:

""Mr Blewitt admits to using the services of prostitutes in Asia"

... So? What on earth does this have to do with anything. It's legal.

"Mr Blewitt, according to people who know him, has been described as a complete imbecile, an idiot, a stooge, a sexist pig, a liar, and his sister has said he's a crook and rotten to the core."

Mmmkay.

"His word against mine? Make your mind up."

Yeppers. The public did Juliar!
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

An interesting tactic, announcing the date this far out. However, unlike most election date announcements, this one isn't on the back of a visit to the Governor-General, issuing of writs etc. The election may still be called sooner or later than the date announced, though a deviation from 14 September would attract criticism. If there is a change of leader - and I see Bob Carr as the most likely - then I would expect him to disown Gillard's announcement, call a quick election, and likely slide home on the honeymoon factor and the general lack of warmth towards Tony Abbott.

Lithe interesting thing is in the timing. It's pretty much square in the middle of the period between the earliest an election may be held without forcing a seperate half-Senate election later (1 July) and the latest the election can be called - a month after three years since the first meeting of the old Parliament, which puts it in November, I think.

Governments traditionally try to avoid half-Senate elections, because there is a "by-election" factor, with voters registering a protest against the government, secure in the knowledge that the government won't change. They'll just find it harder to get legislation through the Senate. It's been forty years and more since we had a half-Senate election.

And governments likewise try to avoid going full term, because if they leave it too long, then they lose the advantage of setting the election date. If there is only the last possible day left, then the opposition simply begin campaigning anyway.

So why did Julia lock herself in, eight months out? She's thrown away the traditional advantage of being able to pick the best moment to call the election, and elections aren't won so easy that advantages can be thrown away. Julia, more than any other PM, can't afford to lose even the tiniest factor in her favour.

My guess is that with Tony Abbott beginning the election year by launching a mini-campaign, she's trying to avoid seven months of scrutiny. She can't survive that. The Libs' election ads were always going to focus on Gillard's slips and fumbles, but even Tony Abbott can't justify eight months of campaigning without the excuse that an election could be called any moment.

Gillard isn't going to be the rabbit in the spotlight now, everyone wondering just when she'll pull the election trigger to end the misery.

Instead, the focus will be on Abbott, who is going to have eight months of scrutiny over the details of his policies. Without the shield of an uncertain election date, he has no excuse to hide them away. He's going to look like he's dithering and delaying every step of the way.

In truth, both parties - and both leaders - are about as good as each other. I don't think either will give us starvation and disaster. Or feasting and bounty. I really have no great worries over who will lead us over the next few years. We'll do just fine. We'll grumble over little things, but we'll have jobs if we want them, houses to live in, hospitals to patch us up, schools to educate the kiddies.

What I don't like, and this is what decides my vote, is the politicking, the deception, the lack of transparency that Gillard has given us since Day One. Every Question Time she is asked the most pertinent and pointed questions. And every time she rises to answer, she deflects and evades and wriggles away from an honest direct answer.

The asylum-seeker issue is a case in point. It's been a total disaster every step of the way. Thousands arrive every month, hundreds die on the way, we spend a fortune on looking after these people, and the genuine refugees who do the right thing and go through the regular channels, are increasingly disadvantaged by those who pay for passage on the boats. It's far worse than anything in the Howard years, and say what you will about the Pacific Solution, it had the twin benefits of reducing deaths in transit to zero and lifting the total refugee intake. We selected those we wanted, put them on a plane and looked after them.

But, to listen to Gillard, none of the failures in her policy can be laid at her feet. It's the fault of the High Court, the Opposition, foreign governments, the weather... Julia, you're holding the reins. You have your fingers on the remote. You are in charge. Be honest about failures and we'll forgive them. We're all human, we all make mistakes.

Then there's the environmental policy. The economy is strong because we're digging up coal and shipping it off to China to burn. We can see the pollution in Chinese air, we can see the fortunes being made by the coal-mining companies and the Obeids. But what do we get? A complex scheme limited to Australia, and no acceptance of the fact that we as a nation are getting rich off fossil fuels.

I don't have any confidence that Tony Abbott will be a better leader. But I reckon he'll be a lot more honest and straightforward about his mistakes. I want a leader and a government I can trust.
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

The only thing worse than being a misogynist is being called a misogynist.

Not sure about that. I'd say 70% of the voters wouldn't have a clue what the term meant......

However, 100% know what a liar is;)
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

I wonder if the early announcement was intended to make it harder for the opposition to do a "drovers dog" swap of Turnbull for Abbott.

On September 14, if I'm in Australia, I'll go for a bit of a walk in the morning and think about Julia Gillard's government being incompetent. I know they are because Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey keep telling me so. I understand that Alan Jones also says something similar and this is a bit of a worry so during the walk I'll try to sort out in my mind any instances (including this year's coming budget) where the government has actually disadvantaged myself or my family and make my decision then.

At any election I tend to vote about mid afternoon when the amount of voters at the polling stations drops off a bit.
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Not sure about that. I'd say 70% of the voters wouldn't have a clue what the term meant......

However, 100% know what a liar is;)

And I wonder if Tony Abbott will be held to the same standard as Julia Gillard? I doubt it. He will find all sorts of reasons why he cannot implement his policies and the demand that he be forgiven for not doing what he promised. He will lie as do all politicians. As did John Howard with his 'core' and 'non-core' promises.

That assumes he is actually opposition leader when the election writs are issued in August. The early nomination of the date by a government he has never recognised as being legitimate, means that now he has to increase his personal popularity. Tony Abbott has repeatedly called for an election, now he has his wish. I suggest he should be careful what he wants because he might just get it.

The Liberal party actually has a timeline to say to him, improve your performance or we'll replace you. Malcom Turnbull is far more popular and would quickly overtake the PM in personal popularity stakes.

There are some major issues facing Australia in the next few years, "boat people" aka refugees will increase substantially. The push factors from Afghanistan will increase substantially and nothing will stop the flow for many years. Look at Sri Lanka as an example. When they arrive en masse watch Tony Abbott blame the previous government when it is external factors causing the increase.

One thing not acknowledged by many people is that the government has actually implemented its legislative agenda despite having to deal with the independent members. Tony Abbott couldn't have done this, he tried and failed to even engage them let alone work with them productively.

The NBN is essential to this country and its future productivity. It must be continued.

The 'carbon tax' is for the future of Australia and a long term requirement. To abolish it would show that the Liberal party is focused on the short term rather having a vision for Australia.

The mining tax was crippled and should have been allowed to be implemented in a better form.

On a final note, we really do need to have fixed term parliaments with a four year term. It works in the majority of Australian states and stops all of this speculation and time wasting.
 
Ok, one is a liar - the other is a hater of women.

I'm sure both descriptions are incorrect ;)

Well one is married to a woman and has 3 (women) daughters that he appears to love , perhaps his outdated idea of a wife and mother being just that, is what rankles

As for lying well I can only react to what I see and hear.
 
Just out of curiosity, has anyone here actually changed their view since the last election?
 
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone here actually changed their view since the last election?

IMHO she was not voted in by the public the independents gave her the express pass to The Lodge

I have no respects for her.
 
IMHO she was not voted in by the public the independents gave her the express pass to The Lodge

I have no respects for her.

Well, that's a pretty clear indication that you haven't... Thanks anyway.
 
Some of my views have changed about the political parties.

You might want to read up on the Australian constitution while you're at it... Particularly the bit about how Australia forms a government.
 
IMHO she was not voted in by the public the independents gave her the express pass to The Lodge

I have no respects for her.

Two different things.

All members of parliament are voted in by their constituents, i.e. members of the public. The party who has the majority of the seats in the lower house forms government. The conservative (Liberal party) side of government cannot govern it its own right, they have a coalition with the agrarian socialists (National party, aka Country party).

The Labor party got the most members together to vote for them. They have governed since the last election. Any suggestion that the Labor party was not voted in by the public ignores the facts,

You have no respects sic for her. Well that is your opinion, others have different opinions and we get to air them here. :)

As the old saying goes, opinions are like bum holes, everybody has one.
 
Are you one of the 2 of 10 who's vote the parties are coveting?

Not in this case. I am actually of the (unconventional) view that this has been quite a good government given both the international and parliamentary circumstances.

But i'm not rusted on either. I have supported both sides in recent state elections so i can be swayed.
 
Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

I wonder if the early announcement was intended to make it harder for the opposition to do a "drovers dog" swap of Turnbull for Abbott. ...
At any election I tend to vote about mid afternoon when the amount of voters at the polling stations drops off a bit.
Good thinking - I do the same, because otherwise I'm standing in a long queue being harassed by the campaign workers shoving leaflets at me.

I can't see the Libs choosing Turnbull again. He's not a fighter. He had his time against Rudd and never got any traction. Abbott followed him and within a year Rudd was demolished. Frankly, I'm surprised Gillard has lasted this long. She's managed to use Abbott's aggression against him, which is a good tactic. However, I honestly can't see her surviving a full-on campaign where the opposing leaders are supposed to be at each other's throats.

Gillard would simply roll over Turnbull. She's a better performer on the political stage than he is.
 
I wish there had been some ground rules set for this thread. For instance no referring to the PM as Juliar. It's not clever. All politicians lie (let's all cast our mind back to "non core promises").

For the record, I was a Liberal voter until a couple of elections ago when I joined a huge majority of people in my electorate to swing over to Labor to get rid of Howard. I really don't know how I'm going to vote at the next election. I see both major parties as both as bad as each other at the moment, they all act like petulant school kids the only time the agree on anything is when they are giving themselves ridiculous pay rises. The only real policy difference I can see is around the NBN, and hopefully enough has been done by the time the election comes around that it will be too late to drag us back into the dark ages by dismantling it, or stopping further implementation. Both parties court the racist vote equally with their attrocious handling of "boat people", I really find it hard to see any policy differences and there's far too much focus on party leader personalities.
 
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