Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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His point was that the bible tells us lots of things we should and shouldn't do, but many of those are quite unacceptable in today's society. That's all.
Like I said, very different views.

The actual quotes from the Q&A transcript are:

"Well, on the question of marriage equality, you are right. I took a position about, I think, three, four, five months ago, well before coming back to the Prime Ministership, because I concluded in my conscience, through an informed conscience and a Christian conscience, it was the right thing to do. And let me tell you why. Number one, I do not believe people, when they are born, choose their sexuality. They are gay if they are born gay. You don't decide at some later stage in life to be one thing or the other. It is - it is how people are built and, therefore, the idea that this is somehow an abnormal condition is just wrong. I don't get that. I think that is just a completely ill-founded view. Secondly, if you accept that it is natural and normal for someone to be gay because that's the way they are, then it follows from that that I don't think it is right to say that if these two folk here, who are in love with each other and are of the same gender, should be denied the opportunity for legal recognition of the duration of their relationship by having marriage equality. If you accept that - if your starting point is that homosexuality is abnormal - I don't know if that's your view."

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"Well, mate, if I was going to have that view, the Bible also says that slavery is a natural condition. Because St Paul said in the New Testament, “Slaves be obedient to your masters.” And, therefore, we should have all fought for the Confederacy in the US war. I mean, for goodness sake, the human condition and social conditions change. What is the fundamental principle of the New Testament? It is one of universal love. Loving your fellow man. And if we get obsessed with a particular definition of that through a form of sexuality, then I think we are missing the centrality of what the gospel, whether you call it a social gospel, a personal gospel or a spiritual gospel, is all about. And therefore I go back to my question. If you think homosexuality is an unnatural condition then, frankly, I cannot agree with you based on any element of the science. And, therefore, if a person's sexuality is as they are made, they you’ve got to ask the second question. Should, therefore, their loving relationships be legally recognised and the conclusion I have reached is that they should. "

Presumably his biblical reference is to this:

Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

Interesting to note that apparently your most important takeaway from the above is not Rudd's statement that the fundamental point of the New Testament is "love your fellow man", not that "love" should not only be recognised as a particular type of relationship, not that such relationships deserve equal recognition before the law, but that he used the words "natural condition" which can't be quoted straight out of the bible, but can be from Aristotle. It's just a bit pathetic, really.

Personally, I don't think he smashed the questioner hard enough. He still couched his language - possibly due to personal beliefs, possibly trying not to entirely alienate the religious vote - using phrases like "they're born that way", when in reality whether people are born gay, or choose to be gay (or bi, or whatever else) is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether or not they should be allowed to enter the legal contract of marriage.
 
His point was that the bible tells us lots of things we should and shouldn't do, but many of those are quite unacceptable in today's society. That's all.

Both the paster and Rudd failed on that point as they both quoted the old testament. Jesus gave us a new message of love and acceptance, which is the New Testament. Basically Christ said the Old Testament is superseded and hence Christians should not quote it. New Testament fundamentally should support gay marriage anyway. So Rudd was right in intent even if wrong in his point.
 
hm .. pretty long bow here on belief structures...

maybe this is fertile ground for a new playground topic .. this one has been on life support for a while now... :-)
 
If it's a overwhelming popular policy - where are the platforms for party support?
 
hm .. pretty long bow here on belief structures...

maybe this is fertile ground for a new playground topic .. this one has been on life support for a while now... :-)

You've got to tread very carefully with religion people get offended very easily
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Seven, Nine and Ten wont run this ad... I wonder why?

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Tony Abbott says vote for because his is the one with the hot daughters... :shock::eek:

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Seven, Nine and Ten wont run this ad... I wonder why?

Not a bad ad.....really liked the scooping of the turd:lol:

Get up haven't been anywhere near as prominent as they were in 2007 election.....maybe Kev can blame them for the trouncing.
 
Another light moment.I found these in Safeways in Canada-
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Yes Albanese's world famous snakes!
 
Whatever the outcome of the election, I live in hope that the next election campaign by both parties is not ruled by the world of social media; however I think that isnt going to happen.

Last night they showed Rudd walking along a promenade. Surrounded by a mob of people in T Shirts. All trying to get in front to be with Rudd and get a selfie. And then, at an impromptu speech, another woman was pushing alongside, frantically trying to get a photo opp while Rudd was talking. Rudd is the PM; is there no respect for what that means, apart from getting a selfie with him? Can you imagine this happening with the President of the USA? I dont know, I just think our Government has been reduced to the Big Brother dirty unwashed. And all leading pollies sucked it up to the Big Brother crew (isn't that show aimed at 13 year old girls?). Just pathetic. From all sides. Lets just hope some respectability for the office is shown after the election.
 
Morning radio was much better today without all the election ads.

Cliver Palmer on TV last night stating that he thinks he might be able to form government.
That the polls are wrong as they are controlled by Murdoch.
unbelievable.
 
Well the Greens are giving the PUP their second preferences.Some are saying because of this the Brick with Eyes is going to get the 6th Senate seat in QLD.
Also giving CT their second preference in Dobell.
 
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