Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[drron]

I think the really interesting thing is that whichever major party changes leader first (before the election) then they could romp in.

I can't see the Lib's getting rid of Abbot with the polls as they are, they're just keeping him off Tv so he can't make any headline grabbing mistakes.

As for Krudd I don't think he wants the hospital pass I think he wants to see Gillard totally humiliated and then come back as the savior. I know people will say he wants the best for ALP but I think he feels wronged and wants revenge. He's not really playing for the team at the moment

Of course he is playing for the team.Did you not see what happened in Parliament on Valentines Day?
Warren Entsch gave all Coalition members a chocolate rose.Several sent theirs to Kevin.One Liberal woman actually took hers over and handed it to Kevin herself.
See he is appreciated in the House.

 

[PLC]

Carr won't be PM. There is nothing technically stopping a Senator being PM, but it is just not how the game is played.

 

[drron]

How will he do this as a Senator?

By doing a Gorton?

 

[medhead]

Of course he is playing for the team.Did you not see what happened in Parliament on Valentines Day?
Warren Entsch gave all Coalition members a chocolate rose.Several sent theirs to Kevin.One Liberal woman actually took hers over and handed it to Kevin herself.
See he is appreciated in the House.

She had to take over personally because the others used the usher but that was stopped as being a distraction.

 

[777]

By doing a Gorton?

I don't think there's a safe seat left in all of NSW to parachute him into!

 

[eastwest101]

I don't think there's a safe seat left in all of NSW to parachute him into!

ACT Federal seat perhaps? You are right though - its not impossible that after the election in the lower house the ALP will have 1 member from QLD, 2 in ACT, 0 in NSW and the rest of the ALP being from VIC, SA and TAS...

 

[amaroo]

I don't think there's a safe seat left in all of NSW to parachute him into!

Barton - margin of 8.9% Might just be enough.

IMHO Carr won't be able to scrub away the stench of NSW ALP.....he was the head of the beast for 10+ years

 

[drron]

Tasmania is not going well for them now.The Launceston Examiner took a poll in Bass which showed a 20%+ swing and the liberal candidate having 61% of the 2 party preferred vote.

 

[Skyring]

Carr won't be PM. There is nothing technically stopping a Senator being PM, but it is just not how the game is played.

Senator John Gorton was Prime Minister from 10 January 1967. He did not become a member of the House of Representatives until 23 February 1967. Indeed for three weeks he was not a member of either house.

If Bob Carr was elected ALP leader, I would expect a snap election. That would also solve the Craig Thomson problem.

 

[Skyring]

IMHO Carr won't be able to scrub away the stench of NSW ALP.....he was the head of the beast for 10+ years

The way I hear it is that Eddie Obeid had a lot to do with Carr leaving. It was only afterwards that the rot really set in.

 

[PLC]

Senator John Gorton was Prime Minister from 10 January 1967. He did not become a member of the House of Representatives until 23 February 1967. Indeed for three weeks he was not a member of either house.

If Bob Carr was elected ALP leader, I would expect a snap election. That would also solve the Craig Thomson problem.

As I said, there is nothing technically stopping Carr (Bob or Kim!!!) from becoming PM. Except maybe the Labor Caucus.

 

[drron]

The way I hear it is that Eddie Obeid had a lot to do with Carr leaving. It was only afterwards that the rot really set in.

Carr first appointed Eddie Obeid to the ministry.In 2003 Carr won in a landslide.Didn't think he needed Obeid.Two years later he found out that was wrong.

 

[amaroo]

The way I hear it is that Eddie Obeid had a lot to do with Carr leaving. It was only afterwards that the rot really set in.

And Carr had a lot to do with Eddie getting into parliament

With friends like these ...

Right or wrong - the stench hangs around the whole lot of them.

 

[Pukka]

How will he do this as a Senator?

He won't

Gillard will be leading them over the cliff

 

[HarryB]

That's rich coming from someone who describes them self as a "Rusted on" labor voter. At least less coughpy is a positive choice.

Yeah, you're right. Why should we expect decent representation?

 

[Hvr]

So with the election result an apparently foregone conclusion surely it is time for a look at what the Liberal party will offer?

Work choices.
Cut to super benefits for low income people.

Who are the proposed ministers? Some of the current Liberal frontbenchers aren't really performing that well so the factions will need to find some talent. Any ideas?

Anything else?

A little scrutiny of what the alternative is worthwhile. We may as well find out what life will be like when the change occurs.

In Victoria the incumbent Liberal government wasn't ready to govern and has been an abject failure and yet still they play the blame game. Amazingly they are getting a dream run in the right wing media with little criticism and certainly none of the vitriol that would be given to a Labor government.

 

[Skyring]

Yeah, you're right. Why should we expect decent representation?

Well, we keep voting for the buggers. If I can find a decent independent next time around, I'll join their campaign.

 

[Pushka]

If the Liberals win, I am looking forward to an understanding of the co-dependency of small business and large corporations. In Gillard's Government the large Corporations are like fresh red meat to her, so an easy target to raid for money to prop up the spending. But she forgets two things. 1. They are cleverer than her at being able to avoid the taxes, while at the same time pulling out of large scale developments - eg Roxby Downs. So straightaway, instead of raising a tax, it has left an area of significant unemployment. So much for the new "blue collar class" she is trying to save. And now she wants to stop the funding of research to them. 2. Small business can be very dependent on big Corporations. Small businesses employ more people than she seems to understand. And for those of you who bang on about the Liberals blocking the reduction of Company tax, you have to make a significant profit before that 1% means anything more than diddly squat.

I think the current Labor Government thinks in discrete chunks, and they can tax one area and think it has no flow on. I guess they dont understand the butterfly principle.

 

[medhead]

I'm not sure what the Olympic dam expansion has to do with Gillard. That seems to have been a purely corporate decision. There are so many other technical problems with that project that taxation is the least of their worries.

 

[Pushka]

I'm not sure what the Olympic dam expansion has to do with Gillard. That seems to have been a purely corporate decision. There are so many other technical problems with that project that taxation is the least of their worries.

It was mentioned as a factor. The costs of doing business in Australia with the taxation structure, carbon tax and the like.