Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[casanovawa]

Its what you did last that tends to get remembered more than what you did first...

This disperate bunch of self servers who all hung together to squeeze as much out of it for themselves because they knew the second they gave it back to the people to vote they would've been slam dunked will be remembered for long time for what they gave us...

 

[casanovawa]

I think the experience on both sides of politics is that it encourages corruption, unaccountability and ineptness. If a government doesn't feel like it risks losing the next election you generally get a very bad government.

I'd suggest minority government also hasn't been a cracking success, plenty of ineptitude and corruption on display of late... It can also be a requirement for getting some tough decisions made... Again i think it often comes down to the wisdom of the leadership and how they use it... They use it badly and it doesn't hang around for long...

 

[drron]

I think the experience on both sides of politics is that it encourages corruption, unaccountability and ineptness. If a government doesn't feel like it risks losing the next election you generally get a very bad government.

The example of Mr.Obeid in NSW suggests that those who think they will lose power encourages even larger bouts of corruption.

 

[medhead]

It usually means the longer the other side are out of power and the stronger the message sent to the ousted leader of just how much the country repudiated their leadership... The last time Labor was in the wilderness for a decent amount of time the country didn't seem to do too badly...

It will be up to Tony to lead sensibly....

Talk about missing the point. My comment was about annihilation not length of time in government.

 

[Skyring]

I think the experience on both sides of politics is that it encourages corruption, unaccountability and ineptness. If a government doesn't feel like it risks losing the next election you generally get a very bad government.

My feelings as well. Lopsided results aren't good. I like it that the minor parties generally control the Senate, for example.

The very worst governments, IMHO, are those where they win a bare victory and then spend the next three or four years just making the best of the lurks and perks and jobs for the boys. It's all gravy.

 

[casanovawa]

I got your point, it was hardly breathtakingly incisive....

And i'm saying that there is usually a natural slide back to where the Government who has just lost power comes back into contention as basically any government in power will lose its popularity because governong is diffcult and usually unpopular when decisions have to be made....

If Labor is annhilated it just means that unless Labor find another bunch of bozo's ala Lathan and Crean etc who are basically unelectable (good for Tony) or if the Lib's make some really dumb decisions (which the current lot experienced the hubris of the last time they were in full control and the results or Work Choices), that Labor will get another shot at leadership in two elections or so rather than the next one, and for me personally, the longer they are away from the levers of power the better, i think the country can only handle (and afford) so many terms of Labor Governments before the whole thing has to spend a period of time being fixed up...

As for the supercoach comment i was going to ignore it, but as i think that was more playing me than my arguments and seeing that you have come back twice at me how about you <...>???

 

[Pushka]

Good heavens. What planet does Christine Milne dwell in?

 

[Pukka]

My feelings as well. Lopsided results aren't good. I like it that the minor parties generally control the Senate, for example.

Well the Greens will only be happy when we're all back in horse & carts singing kumbaya.

I hope Abbot has the guts to go for a double dissolution if he gets a good majority.

 

[Pukka]

Good heavens. What planet does Christine Milne dwell in?

Who knows but I wish it wasn't this one.

 

[amaroo]

My feelings as well. Lopsided results aren't good. I like it that the minor parties generally control the Senate, for example.

IMHO, this minority government has been nothing but a disaster. Looking at the opinion polls - most agree!

It took Howard a very long time to become a total tool. If he had a stronger deputy or a different wife......it might never have happened.

 

[Moody]

Why am I starting to feel dirty?

 

[TheEmu]

It usually means the longer the other side are out of power and the stronger the message sent to the ousted leader of just how much the country repudiated their leadership... The last time Labor was in the wilderness for a decent amount of time the country didn't seem to do too badly...

Ahh yes, 1996 - a 45 seat majority and the consignment of the Prime Minister Formally Known As The World's Greatest Treasurer to the Cranky Corner for the Term of His Natural Life - how I sang and danced that night! :mrgreen:
Come to think of it - wasn't some similar title bestowed upon our current Wlame Duck treasurer last year? (WGT)

 

[medhead]

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As for the supercoach comment i was going to ignore it, but as i think that was more playing me than my arguments and

Clearly you didn't get it. That was a comment about how you comments were uninformed. Eg your comment about economic performance during Howard's term. Even Howard has acknowledge the Keating's contribution to that success. So, yes, you are making one sided comments that ignore the full picture.

 

[drron]

Clearly you didn't get it. That was a comment about how you comments were uninformed. Eg your comment about economic performance during Howard's term. Even Howard has acknowledge the Keating's contribution to that success. So, yes, you are making one sided comments that ignore the full picture.

And Keating couldn't have made his reforms without Howard's support as he got the Liberal party to offer bipartisan support for those reforms.

 

[Sprucegoose]

IMHO, this minority government has been nothing but a disaster. Looking at the opinion polls - most agree!

It took Howard a very long time to become a total tool. If he had a stronger deputy or a different wife......it might never have happened.

not sure if I follow your line of thought here. Howard was most probably the most successful PM in our history.

 

[Sprucegoose]

And Keating couldn't have made his reforms without Howard's support as he got the Liberal party to offer bipartisan support for those reforms.

Keating adopted the recommendations of the Campbell Report, commissioned by Howard as Treasurer

 

[Pukka]

not sure if I follow your line of thought here. Howard was most probably the most successful PM in our history.

Agreed

And actually I think GST is the fairest tax of all. A tax on consumption that you can't avoid. I say up GST & lower the top rate of tax lol I'm sure that will be popular on this thread.

 

[amaroo]

not sure if I follow your line of thought here. Howard was most probably the most successful PM in our history.

He was good. However, he didn't know when to step away.

The power consumed him (probably the wife more), he felt he could do anything & stay as long as he wanted. Kinda ironic that history will record him as one of only two PM's that lost the election & their own seat! IMO he ended up a greedy little Johnny.

Pity Costello didn't have more mongrel in him....would have been better for him, Howard & the country if he did.

 

[Sprucegoose]

He was good. However, he didn't know when to step away.

The power consumed him (probably the wife more), he felt he could do anything & stay as long as he wanted. Kinda ironic that history will record him as one of only two PM's that lost the election & their own seat! IMO he ended up a greedy little Johnny.

Pity Costello didn't have more mongrel in him....would have been better for him, Howard & the country if he did.

time is time. All things come to pass.

leave his wife out of it. That's all conjecture. We don't know about his relationship. Nor do we know about yours..

 

[amaroo]

time is time. All things come to pass.

leave his wife out of it. That's all conjecture. We don't know about his relationship. Nor do we know about yours..

Sorry, but when the wife sits outside the PM's office staring down minister as they are called in to discuss leadership issues - they kinda stop being just the wife.

Now, what would you like to know about me