People coming past the curtain to use the dunny, especially row-4 platinums.

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If you were in the bubble you could have tried downstairs J toilets, or vice-versa I guess. I've been astonished at the length of time some people take.

Depending on the config, you do also seem to get quite a lot of Premium Economy passengers coming through to use the downstairs J toilets. Can't really blame them, given they don't have toilets to themselves....
 
How about Y pax coming into the J cabin to look out the window, have a chat to their mate, perform the odd yoga pose\DVT stretch, see what's for dinner? None of that's written anywhere either. Must mean it's all ok too. How about if I test out the seats? You know, to see if I want to buy one next time.
 
Frankly, on a 737 the front toilet is rubbish anyway. I can't stand up straight and get close enough to the bowl to ensure perfect aim. So you can have your toilet. :-|
 
While I'm with the "Stay in Y when you're in Y" camp, don't WP's have an QF based expectation to use the Business class (or first class) lounge facilities when on the ground? In the lounge mixing with paid J (F) pax? I could see a case for the same applying in the air...mmm free full strength beer in 4A!;)

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Would you theoretically still do this if it was announced shortly after take-off that economy passengers should use the toilets at the rear of the plane?

They don't do this announcement all the time. I'm just curious as to whether or not people need to see something in writing before they will acknowledge it.

Um, as I said I would only use the front toilets if there was a very good reason why I couldnt get to the back ones, or there was a queue and I was struggling. They did make this announcement on the flight, but I didnt need to use them anyway!:p
 
Had an experience last night in Business (3D) on QF962 CBR/BNE.

One Y pax came forward to use the toilet (well after the announcement directing Y pax to the 2 toilets in the rear) and the CSA was in the way, she directed him to the 2 toilets at the back of the aeroplane however he kept walking past her and used the conveniences. I thanked her for trying to police it; but the curtain was still clipped up.

At service time, the crew in Y had let the curtain fall but not done the clips. CSM was serving by herself so did the clips/velcro. The other CSA was in the kitchen. A pax tried to undo the clips and velcro and the CSM directed them to the toilets in the back when they poked their head through. Thankfully they acquiesced and didn't try to slip past the cart (which effectively blocks the aisle anyway).

On my other J sector yesterday (MEL/CBR) it was open slather, but no bulkhead and curtain so full view of the cart blocking access to the forward toilets for much of the short flight.

I'm ambivalent about the access rules - allowing in cases of emergency yes (children, unwell etc), but most pax fail to plan toilet stops appropriately (at home, office, QC or toilets on way to plane), particularly on short haul (less than 2 hours). Some of us plan ahead and don't have any issue :rolleyes:

My 2c worth, FWIW (probably not much :shock:)
 
she directed him to the 2 toilets at the back of the aeroplane however he kept walking past her and used the conveniences.
I don't understand people sometimes.

Whether you think economy passengers should be allowed to use the forward toilets or not, you'd have to agree that ignoring the instructions of the crew is pretty bad form. No?
 
I don't understand people sometimes.
+1 and I'm sure most people on this Forum would agree with that from time to time.

Whether you think economy passengers should be allowed to use the forward toilets or not, you'd have to agree that ignoring the instructions of the crew is pretty bad form. No?
Correct, most people either don't listen to the announcements and/or ignore (for whatever reason they have). It's at least harder to ignore a physical barrier, but a person (CSA) was no match for the pax I outlined, yet the cart was much more of a serious barrier to the 2nd pax.

I'd like a sign on the back of the curtain that when let down and tied, promptly informs the Y pax of the situation of the rear toilets and access forward is in EMERGENCY only. Berhaps I am too hopeful because not all aircraft types have the curtain and/or bulkhead :p
 
Had an experience last night in Business (3D) on QF962 CBR/BNE.

One Y pax came forward to use the toilet (well after the announcement directing Y pax to the 2 toilets in the rear) and the CSA was in the way, she directed him to the 2 toilets at the back of the aeroplane however he kept walking past her and used the conveniences. I thanked her for trying to police it; but the curtain was still clipped up.

At service time, the crew in Y had let the curtain fall but not done the clips. CSM was serving by herself so did the clips/velcro. The other CSA was in the kitchen. A pax tried to undo the clips and velcro and the CSM directed them to the toilets in the back when they poked their head through. Thankfully they acquiesced and didn't try to slip past the cart (which effectively blocks the aisle anyway).

On my other J sector yesterday (MEL/CBR) it was open slather, but no bulkhead and curtain so full view of the cart blocking access to the forward toilets for much of the short flight.

I'm ambivalent about the access rules - allowing in cases of emergency yes (children, unwell etc), but most pax fail to plan toilet stops appropriately (at home, office, QC or toilets on way to plane), particularly on short haul (less than 2 hours). Some of us plan ahead and don't have any issue :rolleyes:

My 2c worth, FWIW (probably not much :shock:)
Hmmm MEL/CBR in J. You paying for the flight? Can't understand the value for money for a 45 min flight with poor FA's pandering over up to 8 rows or more of passengers that just need to be comfortable for the sector. Hands up those who actually pay (i.e. out of their own funds) for this. By the way, I travel a lot (at least twice a week) and I can't recall egregious violation of the iron curtain.
 
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Hmmm MEL/CBR in J. You paying for the flight? Can't understand the value for money for a 45 min flight with poor FA's pandering over up to 8 rows or more of passengers that just need to be comfortable for the sector. Hands up those who actually pay (i.e. out of their own funds) for this. By the way, I travel a lot (at least twice a week) and I can't recall egregious violation of the iron curtain.

Well, it was a JASA so I paid with points mainly (and very little $). It was done for an SC run to re-qual Gold. No, I wouldn't pay for it otherwise (as it would be out of my own funds, as I'm not corporately funded).
 
Can't really understand why this is an issue. J is J and has a toilet. Y is Y and has two toilets. Apart from emergencies or other extenuating circumstance the rules should be obeyed. J in J and Y in Y. FA has authority backed by law - lawful directions must be adhered to. End of story.

Have a few of the transgressors met by the authorities on landing and see how long it takes for punters to get the message. I’m tipping the practice will stop forthwith.
 
As I mentioned on another thread, during a couple of recent flights the F/A allowed the Y pax to line up for the forward toilet. This resulted in my wife trying to eat her meal whilst sitting within inches from the backside of a waiting passenger and holding her right elbow in to avoid touching him. I had to wait for two Y pax to finish before I could use the toilet myself and when I finally got there, there were no towels left to dry my hands. Even the Capt had to wait in the galley until y pax finished.

I pay for my tickets and I expect to get some value for my money. The fact that there is a curtain and that some flights announce that the J toilets are for the use of J pax and some don't suggest to me that it is a policy just one that is not stated nor policed enough.

If it's not a policy then I suggest that any F/A who mentions it on the PA is overstepping his/her authority!

If you don't agree with me that's fine, just let me know where I can pick up your house keys, in case I'm near your place when I feel I'm urgently in need of a toilet that you paid for.
 
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The fact that there is a curtain and that some flights announce that the J toilets are for the use of J pax and some don't suggest to me that it is a policy just one that is not stated nor policed enough.

If it's not a policy then I suggest that any F/A who mentions it on the PA is overstepping his/her authority!
I believe it is a policy though the CSM has some discretion with the application.

If you don't agree with me that's fine, just let me know where I can pick up your house keys, in case I'm near your place when I feel I'm urgently in need of a toilet that you paid for.
The lemon tree is in the back left corner of the yard if you need it :!: :rolleyes:
 
On most of my recent flights the economy class passengers still get to use the toilet at the front. I do not remember seeing anyone sent back and most of the time the FAs or CSM are more than eager to assist.
 
On most of my recent flights the economy class passengers still get to use the toilet at the front. I do not remember seeing anyone sent back and most of the time the FAs or CSM are more than eager to assist.

On two recent flights I have seen FAs send economy passengers down the back. All it took was them to say to the customers the economy toilets are down the back. One of the guys they sent back I also noticed earlier using the premium boarding line when he was just bronze. Some people will just try their luck.
 
On most of my recent flights the economy class passengers still get to use the toilet at the front. I do not remember seeing anyone sent back and most of the time the FAs or CSM are more than eager to assist.

Does that happen on VA?
 
Ah there you go Wilco, depicting a black and white world when in fact its a mass of grey!!!!!

Wheres the grey?? Besides, its not a WP's position to determine what, if any, grey there is. Its not for them to make the call.

I think its fair to assume that no one would begrudge a parent with a child from using the front loo as children can't hold it in and will wee themselves making the problem infinitely worse, but as adults, unless you have an illness (i.e.: the runs) then you're just going to have to hold it in and use your assigned loo. When you're at a sporting event, can you use the members or players loo because the regular ones are full during the "breaks"? Do me a favour.

And whats next? "There are a few empty seats in J or F so maybe I'll just might plonk my backside in one for 30 minutes because I can't be bothered walking back to my seat??

Honestly, some WP's really need to lose this "mightier than thou" attitude as it stinks about as badly as, well, you can work it out.
 
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