People coming past the curtain to use the dunny, especially row-4 platinums.

[openseat]

Does that happen on VA?

On a flight earlier in the week on a 737 with J they put up a bar that was held by magnets. I was in row 3 and a number of people were sent back.

 

[straitman]

Honestly, some WP's really need to lose this "mightier than thou" attitude as it stinks about as badly as, well, you can work it out.

You seem to conveniently overlook what was posted early in the thread where WPs have be offered to go forward of Row 4. I certainly have on a few occasions.

 

[russ]

JohnK would find the magnetic bar repellant...

But I think it's a great idea! I wonder if they could wrap it in barbed wire and electrify it?

 

[wilco]

You seem to conveniently overlook what was posted early in the thread where WPs have be offered to go forward of Row 4. I certainly have on a few occasions.

If you ask first or are offered then by all means but I doubt ANY FA would offer several Y pax use of the forward loos so as to cause a queue in the J cabin or the forward galley.

It really astounds me why some people (mostly WP's and some SG's to be fair) seem to expect more than what they pay for. Whether it be using forward loos, or row 4 seating, or J overhead bins (or overfilling Y bins), or thinking they are more important, or must disembark first, it really is just, well, lets leave it at that except to say that status is no excuse for behaving like an A*hole.

JohnK would find the magnetic bar repellant...

But I think it's a great idea! I wonder if they could wrap it in barbed wire and electrify it?

What a wonderful idea. Both the magnetic bar and the electrification!!

That'll learn them!

 

[melaus]

Gee, I'd hate to have something of "Real World Importance" to worry about!

 

[Justchecking]

Gee, I'd hate to have something of "Real World Importance" to worry about!

Hey! Nothings more real world, nor more important than 'hey I'm not gettng what I pay for. Or that guys nicking stuff he shouldnt be.'

The only mistake we make as adults is thinking that adulthood is any different to kindergarten.

 

[wilco]

Hey! Nothings more real world, nor more important than 'hey I'm not gettng what I pay for. Or that guys nicking stuff he shouldnt be.'

Or in WP's case, "hey, I'm not getting what I didn't pay for!!" or "I want more than what I paid for"!!


Im totally with the OP on this.

 

[JohnK]

I know some people are **** stirring but others are really taking this seriously. Big deal if economy passengers use the toilet at the front of the aircraft.

If I need to go to the toilet then I will the use the front toilet before I get to my seat in row 4. Have not been refused yet.

And if I need to use the toilet inflight then I will wait until the cart has finished serving down the back and casually wander down to use the toilet at the back and also ask for a drink. Then when the cart comes back up to collect the trays I ask for another drink. Works most times and the 3 drinks on the flight are reward for using the toilet down the back.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

it IS a big deal if people use the toilet in a higher class.... there are just no two ways about it. you hold the need to go to the toilet when you are commuting on a train to work, you hold the need to go to the toilet while you are on a phone call at work, you hold the need to go to the toilet while you are at church, or while you are at the supermarket, and 99% of people manage to hold off going to the toilet while at the cinema. so why can't you hold the need to go to the business class lavatory on a 55 minute flight to Sydney? why can't you even hold for the 20 minutes the carts are in the aisle?

if you can't hold, don't drink so much in the qantas club. you can't afford to fly in the premium cabin, so don't expect the benefits that go with it. for some reason people seem unable to keep public toilets clean... there is spillage and all sorts of other nasties. the less people that use the front toilets, the cleaner they are. so yes, it does make a difference.

plus there is the privacy and space that comes with paying a much higher fare... if you truly believe, even for one second, that the front cabin affords no benefits, then you really must be missing that curtain in-between premium and lower classes.

red roo... can you please pass on to the cabin services unit that there be a simple announcement at the beginning of each flight along the lines of 'at the front of the aircraft we have our business class cabin, we ask that other passengers respect their space and privacy'.

what's next? passengers in low status economy passengers using the premium boarding lanes~~^# so they can get on quicker to use the loo?

if anyone really doesnt think it is a big deal... then why don't you use the lavatory in your allocated cabin? that's no big deal either is it?

it really is amusing how some members complain non status members get to sit in row 4, but then are willing to completely ignore the status benefit of business class.... I am confused!


(~~^# premium boarding may be available to some members on selected flights from Perth, Melbourne, brisbane and Sydney...)

 

[tuapekastar]

I can see I've posted sometime in this thread already, but to reiterate (I do hope this mirrors my prior post ): J is J and Y is Y and ne'er the twain should meet. Allowing that there can be exceptions, pax in Y should use the Y dunnies, and pax in J should use the J ones. Very simple for even the most dimwitted pax to understand (especially with the assistance of a supporting announcement at the start of the flight, on Trans-Tasman at least).

An exception could be if the food/drink cart was blocking the access to rear dunnies, but otherwise, stick to your own cabin. This said as a row 4 WP flyer.

 

[nlagalle]

The only time I have seen where they don't mind some pax using the forward loo is usually on the MEL-SYD route where quite often you can't get to the rear loos. I've never been stopped in this instance.

I have just flown MEL-BNE-MEL and on both occasions they announced the forward loo was for J and the main cabin at the rear. The curtains were also drawn.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

it is very strange that it seems to be a uniquely Australian thing... no one crosses the curtain on single aisle aircraft in Europe or Asia or japan... but aussies can't hold on for 20 minutes while a cart is in the aisle here? I'm still confused how this can only be in Australia. (I use Europe and Asia as example because they all serve meals on short flights and have similar cart blocking issues... or not... as it seems in Europe and Asia...)

and if no one can get to the toilets at the rear on a syd-Mel flight... how come it is only row 4 that seems to end up using the front one? surely I'd expect 168 other passengers to all be using the front toilet as well? I don't think so... somehow those other passengers seem to make it to the back...

 

[nlagalle]

it is very strange that it seems to be a uniquely Australian thing... no one crosses the curtain on single aisle aircraft in Europe or Asia or japan... but aussies can't hold on for 20 minutes while a cart is in the aisle here? I'm still confused how this can only be in Australia. (I use Europe and Asia as example because they all serve meals on short flights and have similar cart blocking issues... or not... as it seems in Europe and Asia...)

and if no one can get to the toilets at the rear on a syd-Mel flight... how come it is only row 4 that seems to end up using the front one? surely I'd expect 168 other passengers to all be using the front toilet as well? I don't think so... somehow those other passengers seem to make it to the back...

Funny that when I travelled in Europe 2 months ago there was no curtain between Y and J. It was all open. and yes people from Y went up to the front toilet too.

And does everyone use the toilet on a flight. I very much doubt it. but some do.

 

[JohnK]

Why is everyone blaming the Platinums in row 4 for using the front toilet?

You will find the majority of the time it is people further back in the cabin that come up and use the front toilet. Some look lost and are not sure exactly where the toilet is located. The crew assist most of the time. I do not remember the last time someone was told to go and use the rear toilets but I am sure it does happen.

And I am amazed this thread is still going....

 

[medhead]

Wheres the grey?? Besides, its not a WP's position to determine what, if any, grey there is. Its not for them to make the call.

Where's the grey? What besides everything you mention below?

Well here's one for you. As a platinum with the runs was it ok for me to use the front toilet on my flight last week? I even held up the pilot from getting in to do his business.

I think its fair to assume that no one would begrudge a parent with a child from using the front loo as children can't hold it in and will wee themselves making the problem infinitely worse, but as adults, unless you have an illness (i.e.: the runs) then you're just going to have to hold it in and use your assigned loo. When you're at a sporting event, can you use the members or players loo because the regular ones are full during the "breaks"? Do me a favour.

And whats next? "There are a few empty seats in J or F so maybe I'll just might plonk my backside in one for 30 minutes because I can't be bothered walking back to my seat??

Honestly, some WP's really need to lose this "mightier than thou" attitude as it stinks about as badly as, well, you can work it out.

Sent from my iPhone using Aust Freq Fly app so please excuse the lack of links.

 

[wilco]

Big deal if economy passengers use the toilet at the front of the aircraft.

I get the distinct impression "its no big deal" as long as its them that does it, but if by chance THEY were in J, they'd then be annoyed by the Y pax using the J loo.

this is a recurring theme amongst many WP's who think its ok to do something because its them, but god forbid if a lowly NB did it. And of course you'd know they were an NB because you'd have checked out their boarding pass!

Why is everyone blaming the Platinums in row 4 for using the front toilet?
You will find the majority of the time it is people further back in the cabin that come up and use the front toilet.

Everyone is blaming Row 4 WP's because they are the most likely to use the forward loo. They think because they are sat 1 row behind J, they are really important, and its too far to walk back 20 some rows, they should be entitled to use the J loo. Your response above highlights the fact you see no problem with this.

I disagree that the majority of the time its people further back. They simply don't care and use the toilets they are supposed to use. Its the WP's and to be fair, forward Y pax, who use the forward loos.

I really don't understand why people think so highly of or feel better about themselves because they used a business or first lounge, they stow their luggage in the business cabin or they are sat in row 4. If you have your reasons, so be it, but it doesn't make you a better person.

Where's the grey? What besides everything you mention below?

Well here's one for you. As a platinum with the runs was it ok for me to use the front toilet on my flight last week? I even held up the pilot from getting in to do his business.

There will always be exceptions, like those I listed, but they are not up to the individual pax to decide. If in doubt, ask the FA.

I too had severe food poisoning on a trip back from Cuba and went to the loo about 20 times from CUN-DFW. Luckily I was in J, but can you imagine if I was in forward Y, bothering them 20 times? If i was in Y, I would have requested a rear Y seat so as to be close to the rear Y loos, but I guess thats not an option for Row 4 fans.

and I wouldn't be so critical of everyones posting when you come up with gems like this:

Just hoping they allow the voucher to be used. Can't make a dummy booking tho as you have to have a voucher code to start with

But you can start the process and then cancel the booking before committing. So a dummy booking should be possible.

Just Saying......

 

[wilco]

it IS a big deal if people use the toilet in a higher class.... there are just no two ways about it. you hold the need to go to the toilet when you are commuting on a train to work, you hold the need to go to the toilet while you are on a phone call at work, you hold the need to go to the toilet while you are at church, or while you are at the supermarket, and 99% of people manage to hold off going to the toilet while at the cinema. so why can't you hold the need to go to the business class lavatory on a 55 minute flight to Sydney? why can't you even hold for the 20 minutes the carts are in the aisle?

if you can't hold, don't drink so much in the qantas club. you can't afford to fly in the premium cabin, so don't expect the benefits that go with it. for some reason people seem unable to keep public toilets clean... there is spillage and all sorts of other nasties. the less people that use the front toilets, the cleaner they are. so yes, it does make a difference.

plus there is the privacy and space that comes with paying a much higher fare... if you truly believe, even for one second, that the front cabin affords no benefits, then you really must be missing that curtain in-between premium and lower classes.

red roo... can you please pass on to the cabin services unit that there be a simple announcement at the beginning of each flight along the lines of 'at the front of the aircraft we have our business class cabin, we ask that other passengers respect their space and privacy'.

what's next? passengers in low status economy passengers using the premium boarding lanes~~^# so they can get on quicker to use the loo?

if anyone really doesnt think it is a big deal... then why don't you use the lavatory in your allocated cabin? that's no big deal either is it?

it really is amusing how some members complain non status members get to sit in row 4, but then are willing to completely ignore the status benefit of business class.... I am confused!


(~~^# premium boarding may be available to some members on selected flights from Perth, Melbourne, brisbane and Sydney...)

You tell em MEL_Traveller.

Nice to see some common sense prevail.

 

[melaus]

I've got a solution for the next week or so.............

Qantas to install a nice hefty amplifier with big speakers strategically placed throughout the front cabin.

Anyone wishing to cross the border, must present their Boarding Pass to a special card reader at the border.
This reader will be embedded in a lovely decoration of bells and holly hanging on the curtain. Nice picture of A.J. in their somewhere too.

All FF members will see the curtain suddenly swing back and a huge "Santa Hand" will appear and gently sweep the member into the sacred area.

However, should the reader detect that the defector is from ROW 4, the curtain will suddenly turn into a reindeer, who lifts the leg and sprays Christmas cheer all over the hapless stranger.

Simultaneously, the amplifier barks into life ringing out with:

We wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

 

[wilco]

I've got a solution for the next week or so.............

Qantas to install a nice hefty amplifier with big speakers strategically placed throughout the front cabin.

Anyone wishing to cross the border, must present their Boarding Pass to a special card reader at the border.
This reader will be embedded in a lovely decoration of bells and holly hanging on the curtain. Nice picture of A.J. in their somewhere too.

All FF members will see the curtain suddenly swing back and a huge "Santa Hand" will appear and gently sweep the member into the sacred area.

However, should the reader detect that the defector is from ROW 4, the curtain will suddenly turn into a reindeer, who lifts the leg and sprays Christmas cheer all over the hapless stranger.

Simultaneously, the amplifier barks into life ringing out with:

We wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Sorry. my vote is still with the electrified razor wire across the aisle!! But a theme tune is never a bad thing!!

 

[busissi]

My partner laughed his head off with the "go to the toilet before you get on" comment that's me to a T. Or he did until he had a sudden infection and couldn't get past the trolley in a single aisle plane! So just think about about it Mel_traveller, it could happen to you and maybe other males of a certain age.

I still maintain I am paying for the right to have a smaller queue otherwise, as someone said, why bother?