PER-SIN to return from June.

[Isochronous]

What still doesn't make sense is why QF rebuffed CX's overtures to collaborate on PER-HKG that would have sustained a QF metal service in tandem with the CX one.

 

[eastwest101]

What still doesn't make sense is why QF rebuffed CX's overtures to collaborate on PER-HKG that would have sustained a QF metal service in tandem with the CX one.

Yes - its never been really clear if there were serious discussions between CX and QF about PER-SIN or PER-Anywhere, but I suspect this B737-800 service is "Plan I", after:

Plan A: [-]JQ[/-]
Plan B: [-]MH[/-]
Plan C: [-]RedQ[/-]
Plan D: [-]A330 services[/-]
Plan E: [-]Lose money defending the 65% Line in the Sand[/-]
Plan F: [-]EK[/-]
Plan G: [-]Lose some/all of your PER QFF members[/-]
Plan H: [-]Seasonal A330 services to AKL and SIN[/-]
Plan I: 5 weekly B738 services

 

[Himeno]

I suspect the removal of the A330 service was more about opportunity cost - the A330s could be better utilised elsewhere on the network. Similarly, the 737s were better utilised elsewhere, but now with the mining slowdown, that somewhere else is going away. So, I think PER-SIN was profitable, but other uses of the aircraft were more profitable....

Just like the move of SFO to DFW. SYD-SFO was making money, but they thought they'd make more money by moving the flight to DFW.

What still doesn't make sense is why QF rebuffed CX's overtures to collaborate on PER-HKG that would have sustained a QF metal service in tandem with the CX one.

Since when has QF and CX upper management been able to play nice?

 

[Himeno]

Yes - its never been really clear if there were serious discussions between CX and QF about PER-SIN or PER-Anywhere, but I suspect this B737-800 service is "Plan I", after:

Plan A: <strike>JQ</strike>
Plan B: <strike>MH</strike>
Plan C: <strike>RedQ/Red Herring</strike>
Plan D: <strike>A330 services</strike>
Plan E: <strike>Lose money defending the 65% Line in the Sand</strike>
Plan F: <strike>EK</strike>
Plan G: <strike>Lose some/all of your PER QFF members</strike>
Plan H: <strike>Seasonal A330 services to AKL and SIN</strike>
Plan I: <strike>5 weekly B738 services</strike>

Maybe the next plan is to strap some drop tanks to a 738 (or get a couple of 739ERs) and do PER-AKL with a 737.

 

[wandering_fred]

Maybe the next plan is to strap some drop tanks to a 738 (or get a couple of 739ERs) and do PER-AKL with a 737.

Any QF PER-AKL service would be dropped as soon as AA started 787 service into AKL.

Back to PER-SIN. I wonder when QF and UL will start code shares? It would be more useful than the current code shares with MH CMB-KUL-PER. At the moment CX CMB-HKG-PER return flights are financially attractive... Not so much the other way round.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[defurax]

Any QF PER-AKL service would be dropped as soon as AA started 787 service into AKL.

I guess by AA you mean NZ?

 

[yohy?!]

Inferior hard product and no through traffic...can't see how this would be any more successful than the 'uncommercial' but full 330 services.

Those who are saying we should suck it up and cop 6 hours on a narrow body will rapidly see what this market is accustomed to and will accept, this isn't transcon US in a Seinfeld episode!

 

[wandering_fred]

Originally Posted by wandering_fred

Any QF PER-AKL service would be dropped as soon as AA started 787 service into AKL.

I guess by AA you mean NZ?

No. The AA threads have "massive" speculation on where AA will fly their 787s. AKL is not the top of the list, but nowhere near the bottom.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[defurax]

Originally Posted by wandering_fred

Any QF PER-AKL service would be dropped as soon as AA started 787 service into AKL.





No. The AA threads have "massive" speculation on where AA will fly their 787s. AKL is not the top of the list, but nowhere near the bottom.

Happy wandering

Fred

Got it! So you think QF would try to avoid feeding PAX directly to AA at AKL? I would have thought QF (or Jetconnect) would just codeshare on the AA service.

 

[wandering_fred]

Got it! So you think QF would try to avoid feeding PAX directly to AA at AKL? I would have thought QF (or Jetconnect) would just codeshare on the AA service.

I think history has shown that QF did (and does) not like feeding passengers to other OneWorld partners in SE Asia... even with code shares on some of the services (BA JL and AY?). Of course, some did not offer code shares to QF. But at least locally that did not stop QF from forming ticketing agreements. PER-SIN-HKG comes to mind. Though there were times when scheduling ensured that the last flight was just missed.

Perhaps I read too much into it while wandering

Fred

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I think you are way off. QF and AA are very close allies particularly trans pac. An AA flight with QF code ex AKL would work well.

 

[opt1m4l]

Hard to see how QF is going to compete with SQ and even Scoot on this route with a narrow body - what were they thinking!

 

[Anna]

QF is still untenable to fly ADL - x - SIN or vv even with these new PER schedules. With SQ I can go direct on the outward flight, and get home in one day with a day time flight, no need for an overnight stop in Aust before getting home. And all on a wide body.

 

[dajop]

Outside the travel enthusiast world, when booking will people know or care that it's a 737?

 

[wandering_fred]

Outside the travel enthusiast world, when booking will people know or care that it's a 737?

When they board the plane and wonder where the second aisle is located?

RE:AA
Where is the QF code share on HKG-DFW?

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[Awesom Andy]

Outside the travel enthusiast world, when booking will people know or care that it's a 737?

In Y, it probably doesn't make much difference. In J, they might realise that the product is not all that different from Scoot - who are also flying brand new dreamliners.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

In Y, it probably doesn't make much difference. In J, they might realise that the product is not all that different from Scoot - who are also flying brand new dreamliners.

Agree - economy would almost be ok if there was seat-back IFE. For business class, QF is undercutting full flex fares by $1000 under SQ (QF: $3125, SQ $4084). For the daytime flight to SIN some pax may be happy to take the savings (and the amenity kit). Business saver fares are well under SQ's (about half).

 

[yohy?!]

Outside the travel enthusiast world, when booking will people know or care that it's a 737?

Quite true but I think many would be less than impressed when boarding and be unlikely to become repeat customers in that case

 

[esseeeayeenn]

I think even economy pax would see the difference between a 737 and an A330. The 3-3 layout is much less convenient than 2-4-2.
Not to mention being effectively unable to use the aisle and access the toilets whenever service is underway in a single-aisled aircraft.
And of course their first impression would be the delays in boarding with a single aisle.
Business pax might also notice the impact of one entrance requiring everyone to board through their cabin, but then I have no confidence PER would provide two aerobridges for an A330 anyway.

 

[dajop]

Quite true but I think many would be less than impressed when boarding and be unlikely to become repeat customers in that case

True, they'll notice on boarding. But I suspect the price will be a big factor in determining whether they become repeat passengers or not, as the other full service competitor, SQ, does tend to price at a premium, that people may not want to pay for a 5 hour flight. To get repeat business, pricing would need to be more at the Jetstar/Tiger/Scoot end than the SQ end.