Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[jakeseven7]

Why did Queensland vote her back in, they knew what they were getting.

We don’t vote for our CHO in QLD unfortunately and certainly the medical community up here wish they could vote...

 

[Pushka]

So Senate yesterday backed the motion to allow holders of Prospective Marriage Visa to be granted automatic exemptions from the travel ban (Partner Visa holders and Immediate Family members are already exempt)

Karen Andrews - The Minister for Home Affairs has to sign off on the exemption rule change (not holding my breath though..)

It looks like this could be the start of a slow change of recognizing family members and overseas travel and that not all overseas travel is 'holidays'

They also need to assess parents as being immediate family members.

 

[ayushamity]

They also need to assess parents as being immediate family members.

There is actually a petition for that as well in parliament and that has like 60K signatures compared to the petition for PMV's that has about 3K signatures.

But difference is that there are only about 500 odd PMV holders who cannot enter (my fiance being one of them) whereas the parents would be like in the 1000's.

Once they sort out the PMV's, they will hopefully sort out parents.

 

[Pushka]

There is actually a petition for that as well in parliament and that has like 60K signatures compared to the petition for PMV's that has about 3K signatures.

But difference is that there are only about 500 odd PMV holders who cannot enter (my fiance being one of them) whereas the parents would be like in the 1000's.

Once they sort out the PMV's, they will hopefully sort out parents.

Yep. Signed that one.

 

[Pushka]

Deeply deeply ashamed to be a Queenslander right now (again)

I felt bad being an SA person and the recent Victoria outbreak.
Damn that bloody chauffeur.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So Senate yesterday backed the motion to allow holders of Prospective Marriage Visa to be granted automatic exemptions from the travel ban (Partner Visa holders and Immediate Family members are already exempt)

Karen Andrews - The Minister for Home Affairs has to sign off on the exemption rule change (not holding my breath though..)

It looks like this could be the start of a slow change of recognizing family members and overseas travel and that not all overseas travel is 'holidays'

That would only recognise inbound travel of the visa holder... not outbound travel for the Aussie citizen or PR?

In terms of ‘who’ should be allowed to travel it’s going to be a difficult matrix. The businessman who has sat home all through the pandemic gets to travel to see family, but a front-line health worker can’t go on holiday should they choose to? (noting exemption already exist for cases of immediate family illness)

 

[louie-m]

That would only recognise inbound travel of the visa holder... not outbound travel for the Aussie citizen or PR?

In terms of ‘who’ should be allowed to travel it’s going to be a difficult matrix. The businessman who has sat home all through the pandemic gets to travel to see family, but a front-line health worker can’t go on holiday should they choose to? (noting exemption already exist for cases of immediate family illness)

Well the businessman with family overseas can only see his family overseas whilst the health worker has the whole of Australia (and NZ) to holiday in. In my mind (and I am of course saying this 12,000 miles away from 90 year old parents who may well be dead before I am allowed out), family reunion trumps overseas holidays every time.

 

[Pushka]

Well the businessman with family overseas can only see his family overseas whilst the health worker has the whole of Australia (and NZ) to holiday in. In my mind (and I am of course saying this 12,000 miles away from 90 year old parents who may well be dead before I am allowed out), family reunion trumps overseas holidays every time.

My hope is that an exemption will be granted for family reunions with the presentation of birth certificates etc confirming relationships of those stuck here and overseas. If they are limiting relationships then it should be to parents/child and possibly siblings.

 

[dajop]

Well the businessman with family overseas can only see his family overseas whilst the health worker has the whole of Australia (and NZ) to holiday in. In my mind (and I am of course saying this 12,000 miles away from 90 year old parents who may well be dead before I am allowed out), family reunion trumps overseas holidays every time.

Until 2 weeks quarantine is no longer a thing (particularly if it's in a hotel), I suspect not too many "front line" healthworkers would be that keen on taking 2 weeks extra leave to sit in a hotel. They, by definition cannot work from home.

And not to diminish the valuable work that they are do, there are many hard working members of society that also do valuable work to support the functioning and wellbeing of society, whether they be health care workers, electricity line maintenance staff, police, SES volunteers, abattoir workers, dairy farmers, fire fighters, truck drivers, freight unloaders, rubbish collectors etc etc. Where is the line drawn as to who is more important than someone else?

 

[Lynda2475]

SA allowed a woman from UK to visit her dying father in Hospital

There is a very obvious commonality between NSW, SA and Tas.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Until 2 weeks quarantine is no longer a thing (particularly if it's in a hotel), I suspect not too many "front line" healthworkers would be that keen on taking 2 weeks extra leave to sit in a hotel. They, by definition cannot work from home.

And not to diminish the valuable work that they are do, there are many hard working members of society that also do valuable work to support the functioning and wellbeing of society, whether they be health care workers, electricity line maintenance staff, police, SES volunteers, abattoir workers, dairy farmers, fire fighters, truck drivers, freight unloaders, rubbish collectors etc etc. Where is the line drawn as to who is more important than someone else?

Exactly. And I have included all those workers in previous post. It was just a little more expeditious to limit to a single example this time

The government is talking about 'trials' for business people and students to quarantine at home. The poor front line worker, who actually does the work, seems to get the rough end of the stick

 

[Pushka]

There is a very obvious commonality between NSW, SA and Tas.

Just read online of a similar case in WA. The mother died while he had to stay in quarantine in NSW I think. Premiers comment? This is what happens when you live overseas.

Am I bad in hoping that one day he may be overseas, or one of his close family gets stuck overseas and cant make it back in time? He could have at least tried something rather than a blanket no, tough luck!

 

[dajop]

The government is talking about 'trials' for business people and students to quarantine at home. The poor front line worker, who actually does the work, seems to get the rough end of the stick

Yes, but how many "front line" workers are able to take two weeks out of their lives to dos quarantine, given they cannot work remotely (except maybe doctors doing e-health consultations)? Also overseas holidays are not cheap - many of the usual low cost destinations Australians visit are shut, closed, inaccessible, no can visit right now. There's hope that will change in the next few months, but who knows.

Take Bali, for example, which is really what we're talking about: Bali Corona Update - Bali.com | Credible News Covid-19 in Bali Indonesia

I get the economic argument you make about holidays being cheaper overseas, but right now places that are open are going to turn out much more expensive than a holiday at home (US, Europe, Maldives etc).

 

[ayushamity]

That would only recognise inbound travel of the visa holder... not outbound travel for the Aussie citizen or PR?

Correct

It is because they already hold a valid visa to enter Australia permanently so they should not be banned from entering as they are essentially a permanent member of Australia.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes, but how many "front line" workers are able to take two weeks out of their lives to dos quarantine, given they cannot work remotely (except maybe doctors doing e-health consultations)? Also overseas holidays are not cheap - many of the usual low cost destinations Australians visit are shut, closed, inaccessible, no can visit right now. There's hope that will change in the next few months, but who knows.

Take Bali, for example, which is really what we're talking about: Bali Corona Update - Bali.com | Credible News Covid-19 in Bali Indonesia

I get the economic argument you make about holidays being cheaper overseas, but right now places that are open are going to turn out much more expensive than a holiday at home (US, Europe, Maldives etc).

I get your point. But there are currently lots of people with lots of leave banked up because of covid. But who are we to determine ‘you can’t because you can’t work from home’? People may be happy to have a holiday in singapore, Japan, coughet or whatever bubble opens next, followed by a week or two home quarantine with the family.

Visiting family shouldn’t necessarily be the determining factor (and let’s face it, the PM found time to do all sorts of ‘holiday stuff’ on his trip, so visiting family can be a holiday in itself).

 

[SydneySwan]

I have found the solution to those who refuse vaccination. President Duterte of the Philippines is threatening to jail them. See this SBS report where Duterte even provides what could be the script of a potential advertising campaign so no need for expensive media / advertising consultants. As the PM is in home quarantine at the Lodge he should be available for filming pretty much immediately.

Philippine President Duterte threatens to jail citizens who refuse vaccination

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has threatened to jail people who refuse to be vaccinated against the coronavirus as the country battles one of Asia’s worst outbreaks, with more than 1.3 million cases and 23,000 deaths.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[mviy]

This article has a prediction that we'll be in a good position for a decision on whether to reopen in March next year!: When international border might reopen

Maybe I'm being unrealistic but I still have hopes of travelling overseas at the end of the 2021 calendar year to see family some of whom I haven't seen since before the pandemic and some of whom I've never met in person.

 

[roogirl]

I think 2021 is unrealistic (sorry). Again, we see inconsistent messaging - last week the PM said he wanted to review the next 6 months data (or European summer peak/autumn), today it’s European winter ie April 2021 review point.

what it points to is that no serious conversation is even happening otherwise you wouldn’t get all this inconsistency as there would be a broad plan and consensus.

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Just read online of a similar case in WA. The mother died while he had to stay in quarantine in NSW I think. Premiers comment? This is what happens when you live overseas.

Am I bad in hoping that one day he may be overseas, or one of his close family gets stuck overseas and cant make it back in time? He could have at least tried something rather than a blanket no, tough luck!

Disgusting. He is an empathy free zone. What is it about these politicians who, if it isn’t literally happening to them, can’t imagine it happening to anyone?!

 

[hb13]

I think 2021 is unrealistic (sorry). Again, we see inconsistent messaging - last week the PM said he wanted to review the next 6 months data (or European summer peak/autumn), today it’s European winter ie April 2021 review point.

what it points to is that no serious conversation is even happening otherwise you wouldn’t get all this inconsistency as there would be a broad plan and consensus.

Completely agree. It is clear the government doesn't actually want to or has any plans to make international travel any easier or open the borders anytime soon. Scomo says these things, in my opinion to pretend like they are considering things and to kick the can further down the road.

I'm still of the opinion that mid-2022 point where people thing some border easing will be had with a good amount of countries is, at best, overly optimistic. If it were realistic, the government would be taking the vaccines seriously.

Furthermore, what hope is there of international borders opening when we are still getting snap state border closures, snap lockdowns? These are having a huge impact on people and business. I spoke to some of my family members who are doing it extremely tough. When does this all stop?

 

[clifford]

This article has a prediction that we'll be in a good position for a decision on whether to reopen in March next year!: When international border might reopen

Maybe I'm being unrealistic but I still have hopes of travelling overseas at the end of the 2021 calendar year to see family some of whom I haven't seen since before the pandemic and some of whom I've never met in person.

Well I have no problem with that (I have most of my family in the UK), but you just have to take your place in the queue to get back in here.