Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[sjk]

There is no strategy, whatsoever to get out of this. No plan, no schedule, nothing.

That’s right, there isn’t one. Anywhere.

So the wait-and-see-what-others-do-and-what-consequences-they-suffer approach might not be entirely without merit.

 

[drron]

First the PM and the government have been in continual conversation with the local Pfizer management and their team all year.Remember extra doses announced in February and May.
They are also in talks with other vaccine manufacturers.The ABC reported they are talking to the makers of Valneva a vaccine that has now applications in around the world for authorisation.

Part 2.We will be doing everything we can to leave Australia in february whether it be because they will allow vaccinated pax to leave,a bubble with Singapore or trying for an exemption.

 

[focusedbear]

This is sheer lunacy. What a waste.

Flights with no passengers land in Australia as new cap takes effect

One Australian whose booking had been cancelled said “I understand Australia wants zero cases but those stranded will never get home at this rate.”

www.smh.com.au

 

[Amanad78]

This is sheer lunacy. What a waste.

Flights with no passengers land in Australia as new cap takes effect

One Australian whose booking had been cancelled said “I understand Australia wants zero cases but those stranded will never get home at this rate.”

www.smh.com.au

Completely ridiculous and unbelievable

 

[dajop]

This is sheer lunacy. What a waste.

Flights with no passengers land in Australia as new cap takes effect

One Australian whose booking had been cancelled said “I understand Australia wants zero cases but those stranded will never get home at this rate.”

www.smh.com.au

Here's some food for thought. In the 2 weeks prior to the cap being introduced (1-14 Jul) in NSW there were 32 cases recorded in returning overseas travellers. So cut that in half you cut out 16. All of these are in hotel quarantine, well managed, isolated etc. Meanwhile in the same period 693 new cases have been recorded in the community, most of these being trusted to self isolate in their own homes. Even in Vic, 12 overseas cases, cut that in half 6. Today 7 in community again generally trusted to isolate at home.

Relative risk ....

 

[drron]

And if there had been reduced caps in arrivals over the last 2 months it would not have stopped the recent Sydney outbreak.Flights are still coming in with more freight instead of passengers.

 

[mviy]

And if there had been reduced caps in arrivals over the last 2 months it would not have stopped the recent Sydney outbreak.Flights are still coming in with more freight instead of passengers.

The NSW Premier said as much that the cap size didn't prevent outbreaks when the reduction was announced. She made it very clear that she had very reluctantly agreed to the cap reduction. I presume (only conjecture) that she may have had a private conversation with the PM prior to the National Cabinet meeting where the PM stressed the importance to the Feds of getting the plan agreed to at National Cabinet and that a cap reduction was an acceptable trade-off for them.

 

[burmans]

First the PM and the government have been in continual conversation with the local Pfizer management and their team all year.Remember extra doses announced in February and May.
They are also in talks with other vaccine manufacturers.The ABC reported they are talking to the makers of Valneva a vaccine that has now applications in around the world for authorisation.

Working in business all my life we measure things by results not 'busy work'. All you mention is a lot of talk, very little results (because as we know the announcements in February and May didn't deliver anything in February and May).

Enough talking, DO more.

 

[drron]

Working in business all my life we measure things by results not 'busy work'. All you mention is a lot of talk, very little results (because as we know the announcements in February and May didn't deliver anything in February and May).

Enough talking, DO more.

The announcements in February and May were to announce increased purchases of the Pfizer vaccine.And why do you assume that ongoing talks with Pfizer weren't occurring.

 

[mviy]

Pfizer is constrained by supply they can produce and the US export ban. They may also think the AU government is bluffing (many who have had Pfizer for their first two doses may prefer it for their booster), but one can’t blame the government for trying. If the government can clinch a deal to get vaccine supply much sooner than anticipated it could very well bring forward when international travel can resume with home quarantine.

 

[burmans]

The announcements in February and May were to announce increased purchases of the Pfizer vaccine.And why do you assume that ongoing talks with Pfizer weren't occurring.

I wouldn't know how much talking the government has been doing, you are right. What I do know though it that it hasn't been very effective, incremental and taking an extremely long time before anything actually gets delivered when we needed it yesterday.

Yes, I do know what the announcements were, an admission they didn't order enough in the first place. But back to my point, enough talking of what you might do sometime, actually DO something. Less talk, more action.

 

[N860CR]

Here's some food for thought. In the 2 weeks prior to the cap being introduced (1-14 Jul) in NSW there were 32 cases recorded in returning overseas travellers. So cut that in half you cut out 16. All of these are in hotel quarantine, well managed, isolated etc. Meanwhile in the same period 693 new cases have been recorded in the community, most of these being trusted to self isolate in their own homes. Even in Vic, 12 overseas cases, cut that in half 6. Today 7 in community again generally trusted to isolate at home.

Relative risk ....

Yep. I’ve been saying this for a long time. People actually with the virus are almost just forgotten about. We for some reason focus on people who dare to cross borders (be them state or international).

On what level can somebody who actually has said virus be considered less of a risk than somebody arriving from Vanuatu?

It’s frustrating as it further proves the government has no plan and no idea what it’s doing. In private industry, a basic risk assessment would pretty quickly throw up a flag. Government, however, doesn’t seem to have any accountability (well… I guess to the voters, who they’ve managed to brainwash).

 

[oznflfan]

Yep. I’ve been saying this for a long time. People actually with the virus are almost just forgotten about. We for some reason focus on people who dare to cross borders (be them state or international).

On what level can somebody who actually has said virus be considered less of a risk than somebody arriving from Vanuatu?

It’s frustrating as it further proves the government has no plan and no idea what it’s doing. In private industry, a basic risk assessment would pretty quickly throw up a flag. Government, however, doesn’t seem to have any accountability (well… I guess to the voters, who they’ve managed to brainwash).

On the Vanuata front,

Let's say 100 agri support workers coming from Vanuata to work on regional properties. There is no COVID in Vanuata (as I understand), so why not let them in quarantine free? Maybe do the full PPE transport this just to get them out of airport and city and drive them straight onto the farm. Then they go to work immediately and no quarantine and no issues? Just in case they can't leave the farm for 14 days, and to be even more careful, likewise any staff or owners of the farm can't leave the farm for next 14 days as well. Farm owners surely could live with that.

1 in a Billion chance somehow they could COVID, but even if they did, they are in the middle of regional Australia, very likely very remote, with no movement of people.

ZERO Risk.

 

[N860CR]

Let's say 100 agri support workers coming from Vanuata to work on regional properties. There is no COVID in Vanuata (as I understand), so why not let them in quarantine free? Maybe do the full PPE transport this just to get them out of airport and city and drive them straight onto the farm. Then they go to work immediately and no quarantine and no issues? Just in case they can't leave the farm for 14 days, and to be even more careful, likewise any staff or owners of the farm can't leave the farm for next 14 days as well. Farm owners surely could live with that.

1 in a Billion chance somehow they could COVID, but even if they did, they are in the middle of regional Australia, very likely very remote, with no movement of people.

ZERO Risk.

I was being intentionally provocative using Vanuatu as an example… I believe it’s been totally community covid free throughout the pandemic?

But yes you’re 100% correct. We should be open to arrivals from safe countries. Realistically, we’re at the point where a traffic light model should be in place.

 

[oznflfan]

I was being intentionally provocative using Vanuatu as an example… I believe it’s been totally community covid free throughout the pandemic?

But yes you’re 100% correct. We should be open to arrivals from safe countries. Realistically, we’re at the point where a traffic light model should be in place.

It will be eventually....................................................

 

[mviy]

Still no dates for the four stage plan, but still a priority apparently.

 

[roogirl]

Still no dates for the four stage plan, but still a priority apparently.

The Age headline made me laugh: “4 stage plan is still on the agenda”. Proper Yes Prime Minister stuff.

 

[drron]

On the Vanuata front,

Let's say 100 agri support workers coming from Vanuata to work on regional properties. There is no COVID in Vanuata (as I understand), so why not let them in quarantine free? Maybe do the full PPE transport this just to get them out of airport and city and drive them straight onto the farm. Then they go to work immediately and no quarantine and no issues? Just in case they can't leave the farm for 14 days, and to be even more careful, likewise any staff or owners of the farm can't leave the farm for next 14 days as well. Farm owners surely could live with that.

1 in a Billion chance somehow they could COVID, but even if they did, they are in the middle of regional Australia, very likely very remote, with no movement of people.

ZERO Risk.

Once again I come back to Tasmania.When the cherry season looked like a disaster the Tas.Premier lobbied for HQ to get Pacific Islanders to come to Tasmania for that then they stayed on for the berry crop before moving on to Tasmania.
I did note some quarantined in a company compound in East Devonport very close to a very large berry farm.

So how about those States who are now complaining of a lack of farm workers get off their derrieres and do something similiar.

 

[dajop]

On the HQ piece. I noticed on a youtube trip report, someone was quarantining in Rotorua. If NZ can manage HQ 3 hours from Auckland in a regional location, WTF is wrong with Australia? Why can't we manage anything beyond the CBD's or nearby to the airports? Are our health services in Geelong, Wollongong, Newcastle, Ballarat, Toowoomba, and the like that much worse than the health services in Rotorua?

 

[jb747]

Are our health services in Geelong, Wollongong, Newcastle, Ballarat, Toowoomba, and the like that much worse than the health services in Rotorua?

All of those places are more or less part of the larger city nearby. None are ‘islands’. Tasmania would be perfect, but I suspect the Tasmanians might not be keen.

A really isolated spot, with a large airfield, and good services….not thick on the ground. Can’t use anywhere in WA, ‘cos that’s not in Australia.