Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[dajop]

All of those places are more or less part of the larger city nearby. None are ‘islands’. Tasmania would be perfect, but I suspect the Tasmanians might not be keen.

A really isolated spot, with a large airfield, and good services….not thick on the ground. Can’t use anywhere in WA, ‘cos that’s not in Australia.

But by way of comparison, Rotorua is hardly isolated either....

 

[andye]

Yep. Haven’t seen any foreign media who still think Australia is still doing a good job. NYT a couple of weeks ago, the Times in London is being consistently critical (and it’s a murdoch rag!). Barring citizens from free movement for anything longer than a short emergency period is too bitter a pill to swallow for most western democracies.

this did make me laugh though. We should all be so lucky!

AFF is one of the few places where people get excited about paying their taxes

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

On the Vanuata front,

Let's say 100 agri support workers coming from Vanuata to work on regional properties. There is no COVID in Vanuata (as I understand), so why not let them in quarantine free? Maybe do the full PPE transport this just to get them out of airport and city and drive them straight onto the farm. Then they go to work immediately and no quarantine and no issues? Just in case they can't leave the farm for 14 days, and to be even more careful, likewise any staff or owners of the farm can't leave the farm for next 14 days as well. Farm owners surely could live with that.

1 in a Billion chance somehow they could COVID, but even if they did, they are in the middle of regional Australia, very likely very remote, with no movement of people.

ZERO Risk.

Please try and avoid using logic, you will only confuse any politicians that happen upon us here

 

[Seat0B]

Wow over 36 hrs with no posts in this thread. Feels like we have all just given up any hope of the borders opening.

 

[mviy]

Wow over 36 hrs with no posts in this thread. Feels like we have all just given up any hope of the borders opening.

With half the population still being locked down it’s hard to see any easing of restrictions till next year barring a miracle.

It’s hard having to keep on pushing back expectations as to when we can travel again to see family or for whatever other reason.

 

[N860CR]

With half the population still being locked down it’s hard to see any easing of restrictions till next year barring a miracle.

It’s hard having to keep on pushing back expectations as to when we can travel again to see family or for whatever other reason.

To take the glass half full approach... NSW never gets back to the pointless and unsustainable "COVID Zero" and we accept community transmission, which makes border opening seem a lot less scary.

For what it's worth, the NSW "outbreak" has now gone on for over a month and has over a thousand cases, yet all we've had are three deaths, two of whom were well above the expected age of passing so really don't count for much (and nobody vaccinated presenting seriously sick)

 

[mviy]

The deaths in NSW this year, I think all were for people who should have had both doses by now, certainly at least one, but presumably chose not to.

If NSW doesn't go back to COVID zero they'll likely be shut out of a lot of the country at least until the vaccine rollout completes unless COVID spreads there and they also take that approach. Hard to justify opening international borders whilst domestic borders are still shut.

 

[MooTime]

Has over a thousand cases, yet all we've had are three deaths, two of whom were well above the expected age of passing so really don't count for much (and nobody vaccinated presenting seriously sick)

Many sides to a dice.
Good to have varying views!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

To take the glass half full approach... NSW never gets back to the pointless and unsustainable "COVID Zero" and we accept community transmission, which makes border opening seem a lot less scary.

For what it's worth, the NSW "outbreak" has now gone on for over a month and has over a thousand cases, yet all we've had are three deaths, two of whom were well above the expected age of passing so really don't count for much (and nobody vaccinated presenting seriously sick)

I think when you lose a parent you might begin to understand that your argument is not as straight forward as you make out. The sudden death of a loved one can be very confronting and will take you through a range of emotions. Plenty of that will be 'if only'... 'if only they had gone to the doctor', 'if only the doctor had picked this up earlier', 'if only the driver hadn't been speeding', 'if only I had been there to stop them going up the ladder'. You will be blessed if you don't have any of those questions coming about as the result of a death.

Contracting covid and dying alone in a hospital ward without your family may simply be a statistic to you. But it is very real for the family left behind. Lots of questions, and if there is blame, it certainly adds to the anguish.

 

[N860CR]

I think when you lose a parent you might begin to understand that your argument is not as straight forward as you make out. The sudden death of a loved one can be very confronting and will take you through a range of emotions. Plenty of that will be 'if only'... 'if only they had gone to the doctor', 'if only the doctor had picked this up earlier', 'if only the driver hadn't been speeding', 'if only I had been there to stop them going up the ladder'. You will be blessed if you don't have any of those questions coming about as the result of a death.

Contracting covid and dying alone in a hospital ward without your family may simply be a statistic to you. But it is very real for the family left behind. Lots of questions, and if there is blame, it certainly adds to the anguish.

I don't disagree with you. But 450 people a day die in this country. Each of them has a story, each of them is tragic, many of them are avoidable. I am simply saying that, at some point, we need to accept that 90 year olds dying is simply a part of life. I'm not sure if you've ever worked in aged care facilities, but there's definitely a point where we don't want to be alive anymore.

As MVIY pointed out, each of these three deaths over the last month or so (that's approx 0.0002% of the total deaths recorded during the period) were of people eligible for a vaccine, however for whatever reason did not receive it.

 

[trevella]

that's approx 0.0002% of the total deaths recorded during the period

What are a couple of orders of magnitude between friends?

 

[N860CR]

What are a couple of orders of magnitude between friends?

Thank you, yes. One too many zeros. But the fact that we're at such tiny percentages somewhat proves the point.

 

[Matt_01]

Wow over 36 hrs with no posts in this thread. Feels like we have all just given up any hope of the borders opening.

Not for the QLD Premier, she and her entourage are flying to Japan tonight to ensure they come first (in a 1 horse race) to secure the Olympics I am going to boycott the 2032 QLD Olympics out of principle

 

[oznflfan]

Wow over 36 hrs with no posts in this thread. Feels like we have all just given up any hope of the borders opening.

Seen this for months. When lockdowns and COVID around, no action on this thread. No lockdowns and COVID Zero, we are all commenting looking forward to the time we are free.

We'll be free(ish) by the middle of next year, been saying for some time 1/7/2022 - just think, only 348 more sleeps.

 

[mviy]

The middle of next year is certainly looking more and more likely, especially if they decide to vaccinate kids before opening up.

 

[mviy]

The modelling on vaccination rates and opening up is expected to be presented to government in the next couple of weeks so maybe end of July/early August finally we may start to see some numbers attached to the four stage plan that gives a clearer indication as to where we are at.

 

[Pushka]

Shameless cross post.

Woot. Just wrote an email to our top rating breakfast radio program saying I had to miss sons wedding in the UK on Saturday whilst the PM got to visit his long dead ancestors and then this toxic big brother thing; they read it out, in full, with great emphasis, as an immediate prelude to their interview with Simon Birmingham and asked him to respond to it.

 

[jb747]

Do you remember when we were looking forward to:-

2021
2022
2023
2024

We can revisit, and cross them out when the time comes.

 

[coyote25]

The modelling on vaccination rates and opening up is expected to be presented to government in the next couple of weeks so maybe end of July/early August finally we may start to see some numbers attached to the four stage plan that gives a clearer indication as to where we are at.

I’m sure this will generate discussion and arguments once we know the trigger points. Might also turn the focus on hitting those trigger points sooner.

PM says trigger points will be based on science but reality is it is also a political decision and usually you are given a range of options that vary depending on the risk the decision maker wants to make so that has a political angle for PM and National Cabinet to decide on.

Getting National Cabinet on the same page for risk will be very difficult which might mean a default conservative approach.

 

[N860CR]

Many sides to a dice.
Good to have varying views!

Its less a view, and more fact. The lockdown brigade seems to be of the opinion that nobody dies. Ever. This is a mindset that needs to change before our country can move on from this.