Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Pushka]

my point is that people arriving from overseas and thereby 'suspicious;' in regard to covid should not face MORE stringent restrictions than those who are in 'suspicious' circumstance in a domestic setting, in a restaurant with a positive, on a train with a positive etc.

Just move on and accept what it is if you want to travel.

 

[OATEK]

Yes, I thought you meant it was happening now

Well as there is no current known outbreak then it couldn't be happening now. But it could happen if there is a new outbreak.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Just move on and accept what it is if you want to travel.

Some just need to continually vent and rant. Hold a position and no meaningful discussion. Doesn’t matter society has made a contrary considered decision. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

 

[auriga]

I'm curious what other liberal democracies are doing. I get the feeling they are all having some form of traffic light quarantine, depending on country risk and personal vaccination status.

Commonsense will only take people so far - many think you are not at risk of sunburn on a cloudy day, but science tell us otherwise.

I think its been shown Australia will never be a Sweden and go out on a limb as to its covid policy.

Just by chance, I was actually looking at this (Belgium)
I am so impressed with their site, seems so sensible

info-coronavirus.be

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Just move on and accept what it is if you want to travel.

Outstanding argument, really well laid out, addressed the points. good stuff.

 

[Batterytraveller]

In news that will be relavent to some people Suga Yoshihide is stepping down mainly due to mismanagement of the Covid situation in Japan. Separately their vaccination program is picking up steam with more than 47% fully vaxxed and they now have a roadmap out of domestic restrictions.

I’m actually getting hopeful they will open up to vaxxed travellers by early next year. I’m digging around to see which of the LDP grey men is most likely to replace Suga and hoping he isn’t he isn’t going to need support from the more isolationist factions.

(Technically Aussies with a visa can get in with quarantine today)

 

[sjk]

. I’m digging around to see which of the LDP grey men is most likely to replace Suga and hoping he isn’t he isn’t going to need support from the more isolationist factions.

Might be a grey woman. Still no effective opposition, and no one who fancies themselves a long-term prospect wants the poison chalice just now.

Automatic visa on arrival is still probably some time away, but universities have already been given the MEXT go-ahead to take foreign students en masse from April.

I’ve been here the past week for the Paralympics, and the general willingness to comply with calls for ‘voluntary self-restraint’ appears to be waning rapidly. People are ready to move on.

 

[drron]

Make sure you consider the car battery in this equation. A modern car and a few weeks at a car park don’t always mix well. Then you would need to interact with someone to get it going, and the only possible government reaction to that would be to lock down again.

Easy to overcome.We go away for extended periods so after a couple of flat batteries got a simple charging unit.Always put it on when we go away and no more flat batteries.Simple to unhook and even I can do it.So whoever you get to deliver the car to the airport should have no problems.

 

[jrfsp]

The netherlands has imposed quarantine on vaccinated travellers from the US with unvaccinated banned completely in line with the EU recommendation for safe list removal. I would expect other northern EU countries to follow

This is why case numbers still matter for travel

 

[sydunipete]

It’s a shame we didn’t. I think history will show who had the right approach.

I couldn't agree more, but I think this thing is far from over and greater minds than I will argue this point for many years to come.

I lived in Sweden for 9 months last year at the height of the pandemic. I would take that any day over Australia's approach. The ultimate in freedom is if you don't like what the country is doing - leave. You can't even do that here without jumping through all sorts of hoops.

I was a bit concerned when we first arrived so we ordered home delivered groceries, washed our hands after touching the shopping bags handles etc. But after a while we realised it wasn't so bad (admittedly I wasn't working and needing to catch public transport every day), but when we did public transport was generally well spaced and we chose to wore a mask, even though it wasn't required (at the time).

And that is the difference. If I liked lockdowns I could do it myself - I didn't insist that the rest of the country lockdown to protect me.

I could travel to anywhere that would have me including Germany and Madeira in Portugal. Madeira is an interesting case study in managing their response to covid.

Anyway - we've veered off topic again. I'm reasonably confident that at 80% in NSW and Victoria we'll be able to travel overseas. I'm hoping sanity will prevail and there will be no need for quarantine upon return, but I suspect for political reasons home quarantine will be required for some time yet. I hope the government removes the DFAT rating of Do Not Travel to everywhere, thus reinstating my travel insurance policy. Implementing this classification on the world was the greatest mistake by the government as it instantly made null-in-void the travel insurance policies of many. It's the first thing that needs to go.

 

[Port Power]

do we? do they get made to instal apps with 15 minute check ins? or do we ask them to and trust them, perhaps a check or two along the way

Check-in is only once a day, sometimes missing a day. And the system wouldn’t be needed if people stayed at home in quarantine as they should. You have gone full circle again. The face recognition app is because some people won’t stay at home and cannot be trusted. The minority causing problems for the majority.

I agree with Pushka, if you want to return to Australia from overseas, the rules are there to protect the majority. Move on.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Check-in is only once a day, sometimes missing a day. And the system wouldn’t be needed if people stayed at home in quarantine as they should. You have gone full circle again. The face recognition app is because some people won’t stay at home and cannot be trusted. The minority causing problems for the majority.

The One-Two team are back ... i refer you to my prior answer to this question:

"my point is that people arriving from overseas and thereby 'suspicious;' in regard to covid should not face MORE stringent restrictions than those who are in 'suspicious' circumstance in a domestic setting, in a restaurant with a positive, on a train with a positive etc."

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I couldn't agree more, but I think this thing is far from over and greater minds than I will argue this point for many years to come.

I lived in Sweden for 9 months last year at the height of the pandemic. I would take that any day over Australia's approach. The ultimate in freedom is if you don't like what the country is doing - leave. You can't even do that here without jumping through all sorts of hoops.

I was a bit concerned when we first arrived so we ordered home delivered groceries, washed our hands after touching the shopping bags handles etc. But after a while we realised it wasn't so bad (admittedly I wasn't working and needing to catch public transport every day), but when we did public transport was generally well spaced and we chose to wore a mask, even though it wasn't required (at the time).

And that is the difference. If I liked lockdowns I could do it myself - I didn't insist that the rest of the country lockdown to protect me.

I could travel to anywhere that would have me including Germany and Madeira in Portugal. Madeira is an interesting case study in managing their response to covid.

Anyway - we've veered off topic again. I'm reasonably confident that at 80% in NSW and Victoria we'll be able to travel overseas. I'm hoping sanity will prevail and there will be no need for quarantine upon return, but I suspect for political reasons home quarantine will be required for some time yet. I hope the government removes the DFAT rating of Do Not Travel to everywhere, thus reinstating my travel insurance policy. Implementing this classification on the world was the greatest mistake by the government as it instantly made null-in-void the travel insurance policies of many. It's the first thing that needs to go.

Thank you much more informative.

First question might be a personal one so you can refuse to answer - why did you leave Sweden?

Second question - does it have a traffic light quarantine system? If yes/no, why?

 

[jase05]

The One-Two team are back ... i refer you to my prior answer to this question:

"my point is that people arriving from overseas and thereby 'suspicious;' in regard to covid should not face MORE stringent restrictions than those who are in 'suspicious' circumstance in a domestic setting, in a restaurant with a positive, on a train with a positive etc."

This is only a trial at this stage. I don’t think anyone seriously knows which parts of it will be implemented. I believe Victoria are going to run a trial soon too so will be keen to see what their proposal looks like.

 

[sydunipete]

Thank you much more informative.

First question might be a personal one so you can refuse to answer - why did you leave Sweden?

Second question - does it have a traffic light quarantine system? If yes/no, why?

My wife is Swedish, I am Australian. We normally spend 6 months each year in Australia and 6 months in Europe. That has been disrupted over recent years for the obvious reason. We decided to use this year to renovate a house in Australia so that has kept us busy. We are hoping to return to Sweden for a white Christmas and I will probably stay there until Australia wakes up and eases restrictions.

Sweden has no quarantine and in general had very few restrictions. There are some EU border controls (I have an EU passport which makes entry easier) but once we were there from memory the only control was small gatherings at funerals and restaurants had to have every second table empty. Basically life got on as normal. We chose not to meet too many of our friends, and the ones we did meet we decided to meet outdoors.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

My wife is Swedish, I am Australian. We normally spend 6 months each year in Australia and 6 months in Europe. That has been disrupted over recent years for the obvious reason. We decided to use this year to renovate a house in Australia so that has kept us busy. We are hoping to return to Sweden for a white Christmas and I will probably stay there until Australia wakes up and eases restrictions.

Sweden has no quarantine and in general had very few restrictions. There are some EU border controls (I have an EU passport which makes entry easier) but once we were there from memory the only control was small gatherings at funerals and restaurants had to have every second table empty. Basically life got on as normal. We chose not to meet too many of our friends, and the ones we did meet we decided to meet outdoors.

Thank you.

I thought travellers of some "red" countries are not allowed entry even if they were vaccinated (I thought examples were now US and Israel) because of rising cases. I guess the news I read was wrong or misreported.

Hopefully Australia's Health officials talk to places like Sweden to get more comfort about moving to that type of system quickly.

 

[MelMel]

NSW and Victoria will definitely be travelling overseas before we can go to WA

 

[sydunipete]

I thought travellers of some "red" countries are not allowed entry even if they were vaccinated (I thought examples were now US and Israel) because of rising cases. I guess the news I read was wrong or misreported.

I believe that is the case. But because I have an EU passport I was allowed in. But once in there is no quarantine. Also immediate family of Swedes are allowed and people from a whole bunch of green countries (including Australia). These are EU restrictions and I believe are very close to being lifted.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

NSW and Victoria will definitely be travelling overseas before we can go to WAView attachment 257562

What an absolutely ridiculous human being (McGowan). Very similar to ACT approach honestly its just that the ACT is ahead in vaccinations so they arent really going to matter. the 80% of over 12's thing is crazy.

ACT has special options with a PRIORITISATION of teens. Actively putting them AHEAD of people who are far far far far more likely to have dire consequences of a covid infection.

Its putting their posturing ahead of peoples health / lives.

 

[drron]

NSW and Victoria will definitely be travelling overseas before we can go to WAView attachment 257562

So he is too stupid to realise that the earlier you set the date the earlier people will be incentivised to get the vaccine.
If you are going to wait until well above 80% of those 12 and up you actually incentivise those anti vaxxers and vaccine hesitants to not get vaccinated.