Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Pushka]

So he is too stupid to realise that the earlier you set the date the earlier people will be incentivised to get the vaccine.
If you are going to wait until well above 80% of those 12 and up you actually incentivise those anti vaxxers and vaccine hesitants to not get vaccinated.

He doesn't care if they don't open up. There are no consequences if they stay shut.

 

[oznflfan]

He doesn't care if they don't open up. There are no consequences if they stay shut.

My wife's going to a wedding in WA in March, cross fingers she can go. He puts 14 day isolation or quarantine every time any state has a case. Whilst may isolate of HQ for oversea's, we are not going to for an interstate trip.

I plan a visit to Melbourne for the footy when she gets back. Again, hopefully be able to, have crowds, and I don't have to isolate on my return to NT, not doing that.

First day of all of September off, free here to do whatever I want locally, but scared to fly anywhere just in case. Four weeks at home doing nothing.

As much as I want to head to Europe somewhere between June & September next year, we'll see how hard they make it to leave and come back. No quarantine woohoo, but I don't trust anyone to be that smart.

 

[mviy]

I'd prefer no quarantine when returning from overseas, but I think at this point many of us will put up with a lot we'd normally find intolerable to see family at this point.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I'd prefer no quarantine when returning from overseas, but I think at this point many of us will put up with a lot we'd normally find intolerable to see family at this point.

Perhaps just need to start/keep writing to your federal member of parliament/government senate minister (and state minister/MP because States control quarantine) to the benefits of Sweden's model - it might convince them to get federal health officials to start talking to or having meaningful dialogue with Sweden to understand their system, and hopefully get them comfortable earlier. The earlier the push with reasoned statement (not the slogans or rants of some) then it might get there quicker.

 

[Lynda2475]

In todays NSW presser Gladys mentioned several times her intention to allow Home Quarantine for fully vaccinated (with an approved vaccine so that is Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and J&J only) returning Australians once between 70-80% of NSW 16+ are fully vaccinated. She did state that supervised Quarantine will still be required for foreign workers and students etc.

She also mentioned Australians ability to travel overseas.

 

[Seat0B]

I'd prefer no quarantine when returning from overseas, but I think at this point many of us will put up with a lot we'd normally find intolerable to see family at this point.

I'm with you on that 100% @mviy

 

[louie-m]

Given the apparent movement on NSW home quarantine (hopefully including AirBnB or similar) which presumably will mean an increase in cap numbers, what do we think the chances are of NOT getting bumped on business class award flights into Sydney on SQ in mid-Jan or JAL in early Feb? I'm wondering if I need to book a back up paid flight after all.

 

[somebol]

from facebook... heartbreaking.

I am in extreme pain. I applied for exemption on compassionate grounds (mum in ICU) got rejected - it’s not compassionate enough.
Applied again yesterday as my father got admitted to ICU - and he passed away waiting for me

I told him I am coming. Haven’t seen them for 3 years.

I really wish more of these stories are reported in mainstream media.

 

[mviy]

Stuart Robert’s comments are not the kind of comments I’m looking for: Federal minister admits Australia’s reopening plan ‘could change’ as Covid continues to strain hospitals

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

I just wish everything else was being tracked with as finite a lens as covid is.
why isnt todays press conf in nsw more like:
1400 cases
3 deaths from covid
27 small businesses folded
7 people took their own lives
2 people died on the roads
7 people succumbed to alchohol and smoking related illnesses

feels like everything covid gets magnified while everything is attenuated

I am really hoping that home Q is a tool that is brought in and discarded shortly after.
like be allowed to bypass it with a negative test or a negative test on day 3.

they will not be able to open up tourism until the 14 day threat is removed. no-one is going to travel half way around the world to pay to sit in a hotel for 2 weeks after they have been double vacc'd

 

[OATEK]

In todays NSW presser Gladys mentioned several times her intention to allow Home Quarantine for fully vaccinated (with an approved vaccine so that is Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and J&J only) returning Australians once between 70-80% of NSW 16+ are fully vaccinated. She did state that supervised Quarantine will still be required for foreign workers and students etc.

She also mentioned Australians ability to travel overseas.

The NSW Premier certainly said what I wanted to hear.

In regard to the approved vaccines, we should probably acknowledge that this is the current approved list. I expect others could be added by the time we get to early 2022.

 

[hb13]

In todays NSW presser Gladys mentioned several times her intention to allow Home Quarantine for fully vaccinated (with an approved vaccine so that is Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and J&J only) returning Australians once between 70-80% of NSW 16+ are fully vaccinated. She did state that supervised Quarantine will still be required for foreign workers and students etc.

She also mentioned Australians ability to travel overseas.

I'm a fan of Gladys - as I've said many times here before. As a Victorian, I actually think Dan Andrews is a horrible leader. But I have to say that this is all hot air from Gladys until there is a plan that is near certain to happen. NSW are likely days or maybe a week or two at most from hitting 80% (first doses). At the current rate of vaccinations, and knowing you have 4.5 million extra pfizer and moderna coming this month, NSW and maybe even VIC will hit 80% fully jabbed next month. So what's the plan?

How can you say you will allow home quarantine in basically two months from now when there hasn't even been a trial to work out logistics? My big fear is that home quarantine, if they actually allow it, will be for people from a very limited number of countries. And they'll probably say it is only for people coming on direct flights from at best a handful of countries. So it'll be useless for most of us anyway - especially for the thousands of us based in the UK. We got 42k cases yesterday.

I've given up on being able to come home for another few years. Unless I want to throw away my life here in the UK and spend a ridiculous amount of money, I assume I, along with thousands of other Aussies won't be able to visit for many years yet. It's a disgrace that till this day, that's exactly what the majority of the population in Australia wants....and will get.

 

[burmans]

The trouble with announcing plans too early is that most people including reporters are grounded in the current context so you get people talking about how can you open up when you have x cases and October will be your worst month for hospital load. Yes, there are answers for questions such as these but I doubt the average Joe and the average reporter have the intellectual capacity to understand.

As an example, Gladys gets asked most days when she's going to release the modelling on opening and number of cases, hospitalisations etc. She explains patiently that there are many factors, you need to model for many different values of those factors (some of which can change quite a lot even day to day), i.e. there is no single answer And then at the end we get one idiot who always asks 'what's the number'. If you can't understand reasonably easy concepts on modelling and its value, what chance you can understand and interpret it properly and frankly I think this applies to the majority of people.

As for a plan I'd say they are definitely working on it but there are a number of factors we don't know and predict comfortably enough yet (cases/hospitilisations/hospital load etc.). I don't think they should announce until a) it's actually closer to being relevant to most people b) better worked out and c) we have more definitively worked out when it can actually happen.

As for trialing though I don't really agree. Plenty of other places have done it (home quarantine has been much more common than hotel world wide, most of our 'in country' Covid positive people are doing it), there should be plenty of data on what works and didn't for us to be able to work out logistics without needing a trial. In fact right at the end of last year our Government said that because we were doing well we didnt need to rush and more importantly it was a chance for us to learn from the mistakes of others, this would appear to be a prime candidate for this.

 

[Beasley]

He doesn't care if they don't open up. There are no consequences if they stay shut.

Well, there will be consequences though.
There wont be any international travel for the people of WA!
Meanwhile the rest of Australia will be enjoying the opportunity to return to open international border.

 

[Pushka]

Well, there will be consequences though.
There wont be any international travel for the people of WA!
Meanwhile the rest of Australia will be enjoying the opportunity to return to open international border.

He's three years off an election accountability.

 

[coyote25]

Some news on the Singapore international travel trial that starts now that they have reached 80% vaccinated.

The test case with Germany, which already allows arrivals from Singapore to skip quarantine, begins on Tuesday with the first of seven flights a week out of Frankfurt and Munich on which only fully vaccinated passengers can book seats.

After they land at Changi airport, they will need to isolate at home for only the few hours until they have a negative test result.

The future of travel? Flights begin for vaccinated travellers

A travel lane for vaccinated travellers between Singapore and Germany could present a model for other countries.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Must...Fly!]

Some news on the Singapore international travel trial that starts now that they have reached 80% vaccinated.

The future of travel? Flights begin for vaccinated travellers

A travel lane for vaccinated travellers between Singapore and Germany could present a model for other countries.

www.smh.com.au

This is what travel for the fully vaccinated should look like, really. Without having read the article, if entering a place with covid in the community anyway, isolate until negative should be all that is required. Not that I've ever had a COVID test...

 

[JB expat]

This is what travel for the fully vaccinated should look like, really. Without having read the article, if entering a place with covid in the community anyway, isolate until negative should be all that is required. Not that I've ever had a COVID test...

I agree - with one hesitation. While I support "release" upon the negative covid test, shouldn't there be testing requirements at say day 5 and day 14? I'm not saying that home quarantine should be required post the first negative test, but I think there is a big gap if further testing isn't required. Please keep in mind I am all for opening the borders for the fully vaccinated - I am also the mother of 2 boys too young to be vaccinated.

 

[Pushka]

I agree - with one hesitation. While I support "release" upon the negative covid test, shouldn't there be testing requirements at say day 5 and day 14? I'm not saying that home quarantine should be required post the first negative test, but I think there is a big gap if further testing isn't required. Please keep in mind I am all for opening the borders for the fully vaccinated - I am also the mother of 2 boys too young to be vaccinated.

I guess if covid is already in the community then after the first test, the virus could have come from anywhere so it becomes a matter of testing with symptoms.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I agree - with one hesitation. While I support "release" upon the negative covid test, shouldn't there be testing requirements at say day 5 and day 14? I'm not saying that home quarantine should be required post the first negative test, but I think there is a big gap if further testing isn't required. Please keep in mind I am all for opening the borders for the fully vaccinated - I am also the mother of 2 boys too young to be vaccinated.

Depends. In an ideal world perhaps but in the real one, I see no point. There is a lot of community covid out there. International traveler numbers are going to be pretty low for some time I suspect. Question is also who pays, I guess.

Mind you plenty of countries still have restrictions even with tens of thousands of cases a day so really, it's a lottery!