As the revelations in the last month about Sydney's hotel program illustrate - both Melbourne & Sydney have serious deficiencies.
That the NSW bureaucracy was only 'thinking about setting up a quality control committee' last week does not engender much confidence about its internal control structure to date. It appears (from the available information) that the respective bureaucracies are happy to take any compliments but resort to 'it is not my responsibility' when something goes wrong.
You mentioned 'Ruby Princess' - well I suppose Gladys did set the precedent for NSW in pointing the finger elsewhere back on March 18th.
I said the NSW Hotel quarantine system is not one I would hold out to be the gold standard.
Nowhere did I say Vic was the scheme to follow.
Initially Sydney had the most complaints per room night - predominantly about the state (or lack) of the food coming from the catering companies that are used to supply Sydney public hospitals. Each Local health area's contractor supplied the hotels in their area.
When the Travelodge chain began being used in Sydney (owned by a major donor to the Liberal Party just by coincidence) then the focus of the majority of complaints changed. Complaints about those hotels were greater in number in the much shorter time period they've been part of the NSW scheme than for all other Sydney hotels combined from the start.
The same security company initially blamed for the Melbourne outbreak & subsequently found to have sub-contracted etc etc & has the most named security guard issues in Sydney - was given the contracts for Sydney's most used quarantine hotels BTW. NSW Govt is using the same non-reputable security company and did not do any checking on them in early June to see if they were up to the same issues as in Melbourne.
There have been more complaints made by hotel staff, Dept of Health staff & hotel guests in Sydney than in Melbourne leading to nearly double the number of security guards being fired. Oddly enough the majority belonging to the aforementioned security company (which is based in Sydney btw).
No evidence of more discipline actually less discipline seemingly - just not so widely reported, even to Gladys as she said recently that she'd not heard of any of the security guards in Sydney getting fired.
As I said - Good luck has favoured NSW.
Remember 90% of Melb cases genetically trace back to the one room covered with human waste. Not actually to the non-reputable security company guards but to the hotel night manager & the Dept of Health personnel who instructed a security guard to escort the family around the hotel for some hours while the room was cleaned.
Nothing of the sort.
Sounds like you are talking about Sydney International Airport with the bikies involved in both Q security & Q baggage handling. Despite spome grandstanding after the 28th group caught since 2000 (in 2019) still nothing has seemingly actually been done...
Hundreds of airport workers on drug crim target list | The ...
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Jul 12, 2020 - Baggage handlers, airport security guards, pilots, port workers, cargo ... have been identified on criminal intelligence target lists focusing on drug smuggling. ... significant amounts of cocaine through Sydney airport using his security access ... The Comanchero bikie gang has at least 17 associates or family ..
One, a Qantas baggage handler, likely facilitated significant amounts of cocaine through Sydney airport using his security access in what is known as the “rip on, rip off” method.
The loophole is contained in national crime intelligence reports.
Of the 250,000 people issued with ID cards, nearly 3000 security card holders have criminal charges from the past four years. A total of 170 are represented in 216 crime intelligence reports from 2019 alone.
vs the big announcement made in late 2019 - they're still on the job....
Bikies and drug-smugglers will be banned from working at Australia's airports and docks, under new federal laws introduced into Parliament today.
The Home Affairs Minister has revealed almost 300 people with airport passes have links to organised crime.
www.7NEWS.com.au
Peter Dutton: Bill a bid to keep bikies and crims from airport ...
www.heraldsun.com.au › news › law-order › news-story
Oct 23, 2019 - Bikies and drug-smugglers will be banned from working at Australia's ... as part of an alleged drug-trafficking ring operating at Sydney airport.
You may not call it luck that none of those 20 were CV+ - was it good planning by the NSW Govt to only allow CV- people to escape then?
In just a couple of days in early July there were two woman escapees from the one hotel.
One who talked her way out & the other who did not 'assault' a security guard but pushed his hand off her shoulder & ran.
One woman who 'absconded' from the Marriott was 63 years old, did not assault anyone and was only found hours later after her friend contacted the police about her not answering her phone - revealing she had lied about being an air hostess.
She was found trying to board a plane to Qld at Sydney domestic airport. Imagine how many people she could have infected along the way if she'd been CV+.
www.smh.com.au
A 63-year-old Queensland woman has been issued with a $1000 fine and been returned to hotel quarantine after she allegedly attempted to abscond from Sydney's Marriott Hotel on Wednesday.
"About 7am yesterday, police received a report of a woman who had absconded from a hotel at Circular Quay while undertaking her mandatory 14-day quarantine period," NSW Police said in a statement released to the Herald.
The Australian citizen, who returned from an international trip on a flight to Sydney but lives in Queensland, is believed to have told hotel staff and security her job as a flight attendant meant she needed to leave the hotel and catch a plane, someone familiar with the alleged escape said.
Another woman who absconded from the same hotel was a 39yr old. Not charged with assault as she did not assault anyone.
Police have fined a woman for breaking her mandatory hotel quarantine after she ran away from her Pitt Street accommodation.
All it takes is one case.
That is how CV is believed to have started in Wuhan is it not?
Ruby Princess - no parochial rivalry, NSW bureaucracy found by Commissioner to have acted negligently. Nothing wrong with the procedures other than they were not followed. Worth downloading & reading the report.
www.dpc.nsw.gov.au
As is detailed in the case with the 63yr old woman talking her way past the security guards & hotel staff. She was allowed out by the police stationed at the hotel.
Perhaps at your hotel that security company used their initiative & requested 'assistance' as a standard procedure.
That the NSW bureaucracy was only 'thinking about setting up a quality control committee' last week does not engender much confidence about its internal control structure to date. It appears (from the available information) that the respective bureaucracies are happy to take any compliments but resort to 'it is not my responsibility' when something goes wrong.
You mentioned 'Ruby Princess' - well I suppose Gladys did set the precedent for NSW in pointing the finger elsewhere back on March 18th.
You seem to be incorrectly paraphrasing.
I said the NSW Hotel quarantine system is not one I would hold out to be the gold standard.
Nowhere did I say Vic was the scheme to follow.
Good to hear. That seems to have been the case with around 92% of all hotel stays in Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne & Sydney.
Initially Sydney had the most complaints per room night - predominantly about the state (or lack) of the food coming from the catering companies that are used to supply Sydney public hospitals. Each Local health area's contractor supplied the hotels in their area.
When the Travelodge chain began being used in Sydney (owned by a major donor to the Liberal Party just by coincidence) then the focus of the majority of complaints changed. Complaints about those hotels were greater in number in the much shorter time period they've been part of the NSW scheme than for all other Sydney hotels combined from the start.
No, actually the figures demonstrate the opposite.
The same security company initially blamed for the Melbourne outbreak & subsequently found to have sub-contracted etc etc & has the most named security guard issues in Sydney - was given the contracts for Sydney's most used quarantine hotels BTW. NSW Govt is using the same non-reputable security company and did not do any checking on them in early June to see if they were up to the same issues as in Melbourne.
There have been more complaints made by hotel staff, Dept of Health staff & hotel guests in Sydney than in Melbourne leading to nearly double the number of security guards being fired. Oddly enough the majority belonging to the aforementioned security company (which is based in Sydney btw).
No evidence of more discipline actually less discipline seemingly - just not so widely reported, even to Gladys as she said recently that she'd not heard of any of the security guards in Sydney getting fired.
As I said - Good luck has favoured NSW.
Remember 90% of Melb cases genetically trace back to the one room covered with human waste. Not actually to the non-reputable security company guards but to the hotel night manager & the Dept of Health personnel who instructed a security guard to escort the family around the hotel for some hours while the room was cleaned.
Nothing of the sort.
Sounds like you are talking about Sydney International Airport with the bikies involved in both Q security & Q baggage handling. Despite spome grandstanding after the 28th group caught since 2000 (in 2019) still nothing has seemingly actually been done...
Hundreds of airport workers on drug crim target list | The ...
www.couriermail.com.au › police-courts › news-story
Jul 12, 2020 - Baggage handlers, airport security guards, pilots, port workers, cargo ... have been identified on criminal intelligence target lists focusing on drug smuggling. ... significant amounts of cocaine through Sydney airport using his security access ... The Comanchero bikie gang has at least 17 associates or family ..
One, a Qantas baggage handler, likely facilitated significant amounts of cocaine through Sydney airport using his security access in what is known as the “rip on, rip off” method.
The loophole is contained in national crime intelligence reports.
Of the 250,000 people issued with ID cards, nearly 3000 security card holders have criminal charges from the past four years. A total of 170 are represented in 216 crime intelligence reports from 2019 alone.
vs the big announcement made in late 2019 - they're still on the job....
Bikies and drug-smugglers will be banned from working at Australia's airports and docks, under new federal laws introduced into Parliament today.
The Home Affairs Minister has revealed almost 300 people with airport passes have links to organised crime.
www.7NEWS.com.au
Peter Dutton: Bill a bid to keep bikies and crims from airport ...
www.heraldsun.com.au › news › law-order › news-story
Oct 23, 2019 - Bikies and drug-smugglers will be banned from working at Australia's ... as part of an alleged drug-trafficking ring operating at Sydney airport.
NSW has had more than 20 breeches from hotels that I know of btw.
You may not call it luck that none of those 20 were CV+ - was it good planning by the NSW Govt to only allow CV- people to escape then?
In just a couple of days in early July there were two woman escapees from the one hotel.
One who talked her way out & the other who did not 'assault' a security guard but pushed his hand off her shoulder & ran.
One woman who 'absconded' from the Marriott was 63 years old, did not assault anyone and was only found hours later after her friend contacted the police about her not answering her phone - revealing she had lied about being an air hostess.
She was found trying to board a plane to Qld at Sydney domestic airport. Imagine how many people she could have infected along the way if she'd been CV+.
Woman escapes Marriott Hotel quarantine in Sydney, fined $1000: police
The woman told hotel staff and security her job as a flight attendant meant she needed to leave the hotel and catch a plane, a person familiar with the alleged escape said.
"About 7am yesterday, police received a report of a woman who had absconded from a hotel at Circular Quay while undertaking her mandatory 14-day quarantine period," NSW Police said in a statement released to the Herald.
The Australian citizen, who returned from an international trip on a flight to Sydney but lives in Queensland, is believed to have told hotel staff and security her job as a flight attendant meant she needed to leave the hotel and catch a plane, someone familiar with the alleged escape said.
Another woman who absconded from the same hotel was a 39yr old. Not charged with assault as she did not assault anyone.
Police have fined a woman for breaking her mandatory hotel quarantine after she ran away from her Pitt Street accommodation.
All it takes is one case.
That is how CV is believed to have started in Wuhan is it not?
Ruby Princess - no parochial rivalry, NSW bureaucracy found by Commissioner to have acted negligently. Nothing wrong with the procedures other than they were not followed. Worth downloading & reading the report.
The Special Commission of Inquiry into the Ruby Princess
Bret Walker SC conducted the Inquiry into the voyage of the Ruby Princess and subsequent efforts to diagnose and treat, and to contain the community transmission of COVID-19 by, Ruby Princess passengers.
www.dpc.nsw.gov.au
The NSW Police Commissioner, when responding to questions last week about thinking of setting up a 'quality control committee' now, stated that the NSW Police had no direct role in enforcing quarantine procedures nor ensuring proper health measures are followed. He stated the Police were there to respond to any request for assistance by security guards, hotel staff or Health Dept officials - they do not have a pro-active role, they're not there to patrol the floors or any part of the premises.
As is detailed in the case with the 63yr old woman talking her way past the security guards & hotel staff. She was allowed out by the police stationed at the hotel.
Perhaps at your hotel that security company used their initiative & requested 'assistance' as a standard procedure.
I 'll settle with agree.
