Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[antycbr]

Agree with @Pushka - they aren’t because it doesn’t suit the state government agendas.

Remember when our controversial QLD Cho slapped COVID as cause of death so fast it made your head spin, on that young man in regional QLD, then had to backtrack just as quickly when it turned out she stuffed up the testing? They were desperately hoping it would fit into their storylines.

To get re-elected Anna, WA premier, NT premier need to keep everyone whipped into a state of unquestionable fear.

One thing about the fear approach is yes you win your election. Then what? You have a population in fear and now YOU own the economic problem. In my opinion this election isn’t one you’d particularly want to win!!!

 

[dajop]

Though from the ABS 20% of Aged Care home residents on average die each year.And reported earlier in the thread the actual numbers at the beginning of the month were below average this year.
So reporting these stats can be dangerous as you are very likely to be taken out of context.

Yes, interesting and not surprising. I saw the info posted up thread with the numbers being below average. Are there such stats available by state? It would be informative to look at Victoria specifically, as we all know there have been relatively few COVID deaths in other states.

 

[Pushka]

One thing about the fear approach is yes you win your election. Then what? You have a population in fear and now YOU own the economic problem. In my opinion this election isn’t one you’d particularly want to win!!!

At that time in the election cycle, The Govt's intention and sole goal is to win the election. Very short term plan.

 

[jb747]

My mother is in her 90s. So far she's lost 6 months of her life to this. She can't see why she can't see her friends. Basically her comment is that the lockdowns are stealing what remains of her life.

If we lived in an area in which the virus was common, then the lockdowns might be justifiied. But, in areas in which there has never been any evidence of the virus?

As I see it, there is a limit to just how long the public will put up with lockdowns. Eventually, they'll simply start ignoring them, and in increasing numbers. If (as a guess) the total tolerance is for 12 weeks, then they've burnt that entirely with unnecessary lockdowns.

 

[Pushka]

My mother is in her 90s. So far she's lost 6 months of her life to this. She can't see why she can't see her friends. Basically her comment is that the lockdowns are stealing what remains of her life.

If we lived in an area in which the virus was common, then the lockdowns might be justifiied. But, in areas in which there has never been any evidence of the virus?

As I see it, there is a limit to just how long the public will put up with lockdowns. Eventually, they'll simply start ignoring them, and in increasing numbers. If (as a guess) the total tolerance is for 12 weeks, then they've burnt that entirely with unnecessary lockdowns.

There was a great article referenced yesterday on AFF from a Dr who became positive and had to separate from her young kids stating - what is the cost!

At that age I’d take the hugs and not the isolation and deal with the risk.

 

[Nathant123]

It is called "cenicide" Deliberately allowing older persons to perish for the good of "the economy".

Hang on, what? ‘Older’ people need to be more proactive in looking after their own health and well-being. It isn’t my job. How many times I’ve been out and about and seen the elderly not taking any precautions is beyond me, yet we’ve crippled the economy with no end in sight and once this is all over we will be dealing with far worse issues. My friends and family in Europe and Israel continue to enjoy work and life while we sit here and sweat over daily cases. We’ve turned each state into a separate country and this ‘us vs them’ mentality is ridiculous. The rest of the world will move on and learn to live with this while Australia continues to cripple itself.

 

[antycbr]

Hang on, what? ‘Older’ people need to be more proactive in looking after their own health and well-being. It isn’t my job. How many times I’ve been out and about and seen the elderly not taking any precautions is beyond me, yet we’ve crippled the economy with no end in sight and once this is all over we will be dealing with far worse issues. My friends and family in Europe and Israel continue to enjoy work and life while we sit here and sweat over daily cases. We’ve turned each state into a separate country and this ‘us vs them’ mentality is ridiculous. The rest of the world will move on and learn to live with this while Australia continues to cripple itself.

It’s like it’s a national competition - we have turned COVID into a state of origin contest.

 

[Seat0B]

The thing to consider here is that the Uk and Europe have ‘moved on’ from their initial first wave covid very differently to Australians.

They are in a very very different state of mind and live in a differently framed view of the virus compared to Australians, honestly I speak to my colleagues and friends across Europe and sometimes they are like ‘What oh yea the virus’.... the news is not reporting daily counts, there certainly aren’t senior leaders lining up every day to announce them either.

This might explain why this article and many others are popping up.

Yep. I’ve even got friends going on (brace yourselves) international holidays

From the people I’ve been speaking to, Australia is seen as quite the oddity.

Totally. As you know, my son lives in Dubai. His British GF just paid a visit home to see her family and then joined my son for a cheeky little get away to the Greek Isles. It has been very painful to see their photos of an all but normal international holiday experience. They just have a COVID test before leaving UAE and another on return, isolate until result (usually within 24 hrs), and good to go. Yet neither of them can come here, and I can't go to meet them anywhere either, under any circusmtances short of one of us dying (your choice of higher power/God forbid). It's getting pretty frustrating.

 

[Seat0B]

Australia might not open until middle to late next year at this stage. I'm in Thailand atm, we had no local cases in 100+ days then 1 person gets it and there is panic.

Welcome to posting here @shadowangel . That's a lot like the reaction here in Qld especially . As the post from @drron suggested, I think we really just have to find a way to live with this.

 

[Seat0B]

My mother is in her 90s. So far she's lost 6 months of her life to this. She can't see why she can't see her friends. Basically her comment is that the lockdowns are stealing what remains of her life.

My mum is 86 and she has a very similar view. Here in the COVID hotspot of the ACT, where technically we are still required to maintain a 1.5m distance from anyone not from our immediate household, she has refused to abandon hugs from the family. Her comment is "I'm 86, I could die tomorrow and I don;t want my last 6 months to have been totally devoid of family love." She does live in her own home, and we all sanitise hands and stay away if feeling ill, sometimes even wear a mask, but we are hugging at her request. There is life, and then there is living a life worth living.

 

[Seat0B]

Hang on, what? ‘Older’ people need to be more proactive in looking after their own health and well-being. It isn’t my job. How many times I’ve been out and about and seen the elderly not taking any precautions is beyond me, yet we’ve crippled the economy with no end in sight and once this is all over we will be dealing with far worse issues. My friends and family in Europe and Israel continue to enjoy work and life while we sit here and sweat over daily cases. We’ve turned each state into a separate country and this ‘us vs them’ mentality is ridiculous. The rest of the world will move on and learn to live with this while Australia continues to cripple itself.

Certainly at my local supermarket, the worst offenders of social distance breaching, hand sanitiser etc are mainly men in the 70+ demographic. They just barge on through, blissfully unaware/uncaring. So I agree with you @Nathant123, every one of us needs to be proactive about protecting our own health.

And I agree even more strongly with the "border wars" resulting in states acting like sovereign countries. I never thought I would see that happen here.

 

[sanne]

Unfortunately a lot of the +70 men have early dementia and from experience with such men, they have no idea of social distancing or in fact any idea of what Covid is and what precautions they should take. ‘In one ear and out the other’ when trying to explain what they need to do.

 

[Major]

Certainly at my local supermarket, the worst offenders of social distance breaching, hand sanitiser etc are mainly men in the 70+ demographic. They just barge on through, blissfully unaware/uncaring. So I agree with you @Nathant123, every one of us needs to be proactive about protecting our own health.

And I agree even more strongly with the "border wars" resulting in states acting like sovereign countries. I never thought I would see that happen here.

When us men in the 70+ demographic get up a head of steam we will certainly barge through...so get out of the way junior

 

[Major]

Unfortunately a lot of the +70 men have early dementia and from experience with such men, they have no idea of social distancing or in fact any idea of what Covid is and what precautions they should take. ‘In one ear and out the other’ when trying to explain what they need to do.

Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this to us. It's really hard to comprehend the precautions

 

[OATEK]

Unfortunately a lot of the +70 men have early dementia and from experience with such men, they have no idea of social distancing or in fact any idea of what Covid is and what precautions they should take. ‘In one ear and out the other’ when trying to explain what they need to do.

As someone who will shortly turn 70, I have to say the majority of people who make no attempt to avoid me and keep the 1.5m look to be under 40. The worst offenders are the CS and Security staff outside the Apple store who go to great lengths to look after the customers lining up, handing masks etc, and then barge into other pedestrians going past. Yes I have seen a couple of men of my generation who want to barge past on travelators etc, but equal numbers of much younger persons who just cannot be delayed.

 

[p--and--t]

Unfortunately a lot of the +70 men have early dementia and from experience with such men, they have no idea of social distancing or in fact any idea of what Covid is and what precautions they should take. ‘In one ear and out the other’ when trying to explain what they need to do.

Of course you will be following up your broad insulting generalisation with some actual references and facts about the mental state of various age groups of each gender.

Ironic that the only people in the supermarket when i went there for a rare visit a week ago that practised zero social distancing and zero manners were all in the 20-30 yo age bracket of both sexes and by the way most were also breaking stage 4 restrictions by wandering around in pairs when the rules are one person only per household.

 

[sanne]

I am 70+ myself and have not been out of my house except for a daily walk since 13th March....doing the right think to keep myself and husband safe and we live a ? Covid free town on the sunshine coast. But I have several friends who are having a lot of problems with their 70+ husbands ‘doing the right thing’. All with early dementia or Alzheimer’. Sad but true.

 

[love_the_life]

I am 70+ myself and have not been out of my house except for a daily walk since 13th March....doing the right think to keep myself and husband safe and we live a ? Covid free town on the sunshine coast. But I have several friends who are having a lot of problems with their 70+ husbands ‘doing the right thing’. All with early dementia or Alzheimer’. Sad but true.

Am I missing something - my understanding is that QLD has eased restrictions and Queenslanders are able to leave the house for more than a daily walk. Unless you have major immune compromise, I see no issue with you being able to resume more 'normal' activities. Just because some of your friends' husbands may have early dementia doesn't mean most (or many in fact) do so I think it is a bit of a long bow to draw on that front,

 

[p--and--t]

Am I missing something - my understanding is that QLD has eased restrictions and Queenslanders are able to leave the house for more than a daily walk. Unless you have major immune compromise, I see no issue with you being able to resume more 'normal' activities. Just because some of your friends' husbands may have early dementia doesn't mean most (or many in fact) do so I think it is a bit of a long bow to draw on that front,

Might be a special town?

Dozens of friends many male from ex work acquaintances in the 60-85 group. Not one showing any signs of dementia. One over ninety and still working - not advocating that, but to him as a single bloke, his career is his life.

 

[Princess Fiona]

There was a great article referenced yesterday on AFF from a Dr who became positive and had to separate from her young kids stating - what is the cost!

At that age I’d take the hugs and not the isolation and deal with the risk.

She’s an EM Physician same as me. I’d likewise separate from my family if I contract this. I would do everything possible to prevent myself transmitting it to anyone else including my family.
If everyone who contracted it was able to do so Community transmission would be falling much faster.