Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Himeno]

And, lastly, not relevant to most on AFF, whilst I can happily deal with no international travel if I was based in Australia, it will drive me insane in the little red dot of Singapore, in an area that's slightly smaller than suburban Canberra! There's one for you Canberrans, no travel past Banks to the south, the Murrumbidgee to the west, the NSW border to the north and Majura Parkway to the east.

It would seem that I would be quite happy "stuck" in Singapore then.
My regular travel at home would fit entirely within the area between Orchard Station and Marina Barrage.

 

[Myrna]

Facing a dilemma whether to cancel a trip. A few months ago I used my AS miles to book a return trip for niece from Sydney to the US to see her father for a week during the July NSW school holidays, flying QF. It is very uncertain whether overseas travel from Australia will be allowed then, and whether the 14 days forced isolation will remain in place. Should I cancel the trip for niece now, or wait? What are your collective thoughts?

 

[burmans]

Facing a dilemma whether to cancel a trip. A few months ago I used my AS miles to book a return trip for niece from Sydney to the US to see her father for a week during the July NSW school holidays, flying QF. It is very uncertain whether overseas travel from Australia will be allowed then, and whether the 14 days forced isolation will remain in place. Should I cancel the trip for niece now, or wait? What are your collective thoughts?

I'd be waiting to see what QF do, better if they cancel than you do.

 

[p--and--t]

Interesting to contrast the comments of AFFers as opposed to a survey of the general Australian public posted 16 hours ago by the ABC

 

[CaptJCool]

I'd be waiting to see what QF do, better if they cancel than you do.

I would be really surprised if regular international flights resume to USA by then. Aside from nearly 1 million CV it’s Likely to take some time for them to clear the virus out.... that said, flights to Europe early June were already cancelled some weeks ago ...

 

[Myrna]

Interesting to contrast the comments of AFFers as opposed to a survey of the general Australian public posted 16 hours ago by the ABC

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Thanks, p--and--t. Yes, interesting that 94% of the general public oppose to lifting current restrictions on international travel.

 

[jakeseven7]

Cathay increasing their flights in June!

Cathay Pacific to increase international flights in late June – Business Traveller

Cathay Pacific intends to operate more flights to London, Vancouver, Singapore and more between June 21-30

www.businesstraveller.com

 

[p--and--t]

Argentina Bans Commercial Flights Through September 1, 2020 (+ Blue Dollar Is Back)

Argentina has banned all domestic and international commercial flights through September 1, 2020.

loyaltylobby.com

 

[jb747]

Interesting to contrast the comments of AFFers as opposed to a survey of the general Australian public posted 16 hours ago by the ABC

All that this proves is that you can use statistics to prove anything.

People who aren't being affected by business restrictions don't support them being lifted.
People who don't travel overseas, and know nobody employed by the industry....
Stricter measures aren't being defined. Presumably they believe they won't be affected. For instance lock up the elderly, but let 20 year olds party.
Restrict travel within Australia, especially as I've never been beyond 50 km from home in my life.

In other words, I support anything that won't affect me, and that I don't have to pay for in any way at all.

 

[p--and--t]

All that this proves is that you can use statistics to prove anything.

People who aren't being affected by business restrictions don't support them being lifted.
People who don't travel overseas, and know nobody employed by the industry....
Stricter measures aren't being defined. Presumably they believe they won't be affected. For instance lock up the elderly, but let 20 year olds party.
Restrict travel within Australia, especially as I've never been beyond 50 km from home in my life.

In other words, I support anything that won't affect me, and that I don't have to pay for in any way at all.

Agree. Included it for general discussion

 

[Pushka]

Interesting to contrast the comments of AFFers as opposed to a survey of the general Australian public posted 16 hours ago by the ABC

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I struggle to believe that the majority want to further restrict travel within Australia. That makes no sense whatsoever. It's already tight! Likely they didn't even understand the question. Or what is happening around Australia just their own backyard.

My SIL is a nurse and she is happy as dandy with the restrictions. She has never worked as a business owner especially one now whose work has plummeted. Can Take travel or leave it. She just likes quilting. Sigh. She would have been one of the Disagree in that graph.

 

[p--and--t]

I struggle to believe that the majority want to further restrict travel within Australia. That makes no sense whatsoever. It's already tight!

The bit that is missing from the survey is obviously the background on how long they thought the restriction to apply..eg.one month/12months etc.

There is a lot of anti sentiment about people arriving from overseas on planes and ships that brought the virus here. Plenty of examples quoted on AFF like ships in Perth, Ruby, America tourists in Barossa etc.

If you don't have a job (outside of tourism and aviation and don't have a friend in those industries) then you might be blaming those industries for the current lock down, loss of income, fear of getting sick.

Edit: and (aside from TAS) people would be seeing the states/territory that have locked their borders have the better daily stats.

 

[Scarlett]

I think most people are underestimating the role of geopolitics in the decision making. NZ and Pacific Island travel will be reopened probably sooner than many are guessing, potentially with some restrictions, but more likely reliant on the traveller to report feeling ill. The demand pressure on our government is likely already growing. Vanuatu and Fiji post TC Harold will be seriously looking for foreign income. Then if China, which is reporting no new cases, starts flying tourists into the SWP as a form of soft core diplomacy...

In contrast, unless the Balinese enact a two week long 'Nyepi', to declare themselves c-19 free, I'd suggest there will be less pressure to reopen that route (which will of course suck if you're one of those, generally smug types, that has a fifo or telecommuting residence there ).

 

[Gremlin]

ScoMo just had this to say about international travel in today's press conference...

Putting the protections in place for a Covid safe Australia, which means we can get an economic growth occurring again, and move on to what Australians like doing again.

It won’t be exactly like it was before.

I can’t see international travel occurring anytime soon.

Can’t see that. The risks there are obvious.

The only exception to that, as I have flagged, is potentially with New Zealand, and we have had some good discussions about that.

But outside of that, that is unlikely.

But I look forward to the time when Australians can travel again within Australia.

 

[KarenD]

ScoMo just had this to say about international travel in today's press conference...

I wonder what his definition of "soon" is?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Facing a dilemma whether to cancel a trip. A few months ago I used my AS miles to book a return trip for niece from Sydney to the US to see her father for a week during the July NSW school holidays, flying QF. It is very uncertain whether overseas travel from Australia will be allowed then, and whether the 14 days forced isolation will remain in place. Should I cancel the trip for niece now, or wait? What are your collective thoughts?

I'm in the same boat - a nicely constructed award booking to the states in July. Don't want to cancel, but guess I'll have to face the inevitable. Even if flights are operating, the issue is really travel insurance. Getting sick in the USA could either mean limited access to care (unless the peak has flattened) or a huge bill. So I guess without a vaccine, the travel will be off

People who aren't being affected by business restrictions don't support them being lifted.

Isn't that the 17% arguing against those measures, etc? Maybe the 6% against further travel restrictions are those working in the industry?

The poll does require unpacking, but it is similar to some of those coming out of the UK where people are at odds with the 'talking heads' on tv advocating an end to all restrictions.

 

[get me outta here]

I think it is stating the bleeding obvious that i travel will not open up soon. Except, maybe NZ at some stage. Even domestic is a way off.

 

[jb747]

I still stand by my comments from when all of this started. International travel will not actually recover at all. By the time countries allow it, and with the restrictions that it will have, there simply will not be any airlines left standing.

 

[drron]

The bit that is missing from the survey is obviously the background on how long they thought the restriction to apply..eg.one month/12months etc.

There is a lot of anti sentiment about people arriving from overseas on planes and ships that brought the virus here. Plenty of examples quoted on AFF like ships in Perth, Ruby, America tourists in Barossa etc.

If you don't have a job (outside of tourism and aviation and don't have a friend in those industries) then you might be blaming those industries for the current lock down, loss of income, fear of getting sick.

Edit: and (aside from TAS) people would be seeing the states/territory that have locked their borders have the better daily stats.

Though Tassies numbers went south when they strengthened their lockdown.

 

[woodborer]

I still stand by my comments from when all of this started. International travel will not actually recover at all. By the time countries allow it, and with the restrictions that it will have, there simply will not be any airlines left standing.

We'll have to go by boat...oh, wait.