Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Townsend]

My comment about the vaccine hesitancy came from a vaccine hesitancy tracker that The Melbourne Institute at the University of Melbourne publish.

• Despite the continuing severity of the NSW outbreak, as well as lockdowns in other states, vaccine hesitancy is not falling. At 7th August, vaccine hesitancy was 21.8%, similar to 21.5% two weeks earlier.

 

[burmans]

My comment about the vaccine hesitancy came from a vaccine hesitancy tracker that The Melbourne Institute at the University of Melbourne publish.

• Despite the continuing severity of the NSW outbreak, as well as lockdowns in other states, vaccine hesitancy is not falling. At 7th August, vaccine hesitancy was 21.8%, similar to 21.5% two weeks earlier.

Vaccine hesitancy is not anti vex. I know plenty of people who were hesitant who have already decided to get vaccinated and as they come to realise what not being vaccinated will mean ( ie. what they won’t be able to do), plus some of the current incentives converting a couple of percent of people out of 20% won’t be hard. Less than 10% are actually anti vax.

 

[JB expat]

Vaccine hesitancy is not anti vex. I know plenty of people who were hesitant who have already decided to get vaccinated and as they come to realise what not being vaccinated will mean ( ie. what they won’t be able to do), plus some of the current incentives converting a couple of percent of people out of 20% won’t be hard. Less than 10% are actually anti vax.

And now Westmead hospital is in what I (a layperson) call triage mode - not intaking all emergencies they would normally take and not within acceptable (from a patient's perspective) timeframe. When the lightbulb goes off that COVID hospitalizations impact more than those who have COVID, perhaps more of the "hesitant" will get the vaccine. Wonder when the video will come out showing someone in an ambulance from a car accident unable to get treatment due to overwhelmed hospitals. Or those who cannot get critical treatment and end up with stage 4 cancer rather than, say, stage 2.

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As soon as I have a break from work calls, I'm going to read this - businesses pushing for relaxing of international borders is covered somewhere in here (I believe from the blurb I read).

What are the border rules and when can we reopen?

How does Australia’s border compare to the rest of the world and what does the science say about when we can reopen?

www.theage.com.au

 

[jakeseven7]

And now Westmead hospital is in what I (a layperson) call triage mode - not intaking all emergencies they would normally take and not within acceptable (from a patient's perspective) timeframe. When the lightbulb goes off that COVID hospitalizations impact more than those who have COVID, perhaps more of the "hesitant" will get the vaccine. Wonder when the video will come out showing someone in an ambulance from a car accident unable to get treatment due to overwhelmed hospitals. Or those who cannot get critical treatment and end up with stage 4 cancer rather than, say, stage 2.

From my experience a lot of hesitants will need a bigger stick than that.

Financial stick ideally.

But I do personally agree with you and would hope at least some would see how selfish their decision is from the above.

 

[Townsend]

I hope you are correct for all the reasons you have mentioned above. I do wish that Sky, News and Craig Kelly would stop enabling hesitant people who have not yet had the vaccine.

 

[Pushka]

This morning it was announced that the Taliban had prevented Afghanistan people from leaving their country. Immediately I thought, so repressive. And then I remembered.....

 

[Jousams]

This morning it was announced that the Taliban had prevented Afghanistan people from leaving their country. Immediately I thought, so repressive. And then I remembered.....

A few months ago I would’ve said that your comment was inflammatory and so unreasonable. But lately I found myself siding with the protestors and ‘we’ve lost our freedom’ mob.

 

[jrfsp]

Lots of airlines have single daily flights around the world. Australia in theory would be no different. I'm not sure whether it's a case of *either* 5x SQ dailies to SYD *or* zero. Whether or not an Aussie airline can sustain international operations? Dunno. Quarantine is one thing, but even if that was scrapped there'll be no Chinese market for a very long time. But that's probably likely to affect only the Chinese carriers and QF's limited services to mainland China.

HKG? That's a major port for QF and is also having the same approach as the mainland.

 

[Pushka]

A few months ago I would’ve said that your comment was inflammatory and so unreasonable. But lately I found myself siding with the protestors and ‘we’ve lost our freedom’ mob.

Agree.

But no country that we would want to use as our benchmark has prevented people from leaving even if they make it hard to get back in, which would be their choice.

 

[jrfsp]

QF is pushing all the emotional buttons…

Why do they have people wearing masks at other points in the ad and yet none in sight in the airport or on the plane...I know its an advert but at least be realistic about the masks

 

[JB expat]

Why do they have people wearing masks at other points in the ad and yet none in sight in the airport or on the plane...I know its an advert but at least be realistic about the masks

I noticed the same...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

HKG? That's a major port for QF and is also having the same approach as the mainland.

It will be interesting to see Hong Kong's approach to Australia going forward. Whether they may choose to be a bit more liberal given its financial status. There will be some connecting traffic via HKG for QF - BA and AY services for example. Whether or not those two things will be enough to sustain daily flights from MEL and SYD will be the question.

 

[jakeseven7]

Why do they have people wearing masks at other points in the ad and yet none in sight in the airport or on the plane...I know its an advert but at least be realistic about the masks

Is that a serious question?

 

[Tiki]

C'mon Australia: We can't live in this Covid purgatory any longer. — Mamamia. I hope this is not paywalled. C'mon Australia: We can't live in this Covid purgatory any longer. By Daniel Bookman best article I’ve seen so far and I wish all pollies would read this.

 

[hb13]

I'm getting more pessimistic by the day, when ironically the vaccine rate in Aus is getting better by the day.

Till now, there is no inclination whatsoever that quarantine requirements will be dropped, even if we vaccinate 90 or 95% of the population. I assume some more bubbles will be formed with pacific nations next year, but apart from that, it seems like 14-day quarantine is here to stay for years (possibly at home for arrivals from less risky countries).

 

[justinbrett]

I'm getting more pessimistic by the day, when ironically the vaccine rate in Aus is getting better by the day.

Till now, there is no inclination whatsoever that quarantine requirements will be dropped, even if we vaccinate 90 or 95% of the population. I assume some more bubbles will be formed with pacific nations next year, but apart from that, it seems like 14-day quarantine is here to stay for years (possibly at home for arrivals from less risky countries).

Tourism minister mentioned travel bubbles to US and UK today.

 

[OATEK]

HKG? That's a major port for QF and is also having the same approach as the mainland.

It will be interesting to see Hong Kong's approach to Australia going forward. Whether they may choose to be a bit more liberal given its financial status. There will be some connecting traffic via HKG for QF - BA and AY services for example. Whether or not those two things will be enough to sustain daily flights from MEL and SYD will be the question.

The issues around HKG will likely play out very differently when flights out begin early next year. The issues around whether there are traffic light systems are one thing, but more broadly there are many who have used HKG as a connecting point to EU/US who could (like us) be very hesitant to fly there. We have friends from HK who have family connections, and they are similarly hesitant.

I am still hoping to get away to the UK around Easter 2022, but we will preference other connecting points ahead of HKG and this might show up in QF route planning if there is a general move to avoid HKG over SIN where pax can continue on QF flights.

 

[jb747]

I am still hoping to get away to the UK around Easter 2022, but we will preference other connecting points ahead of HKG and this might show up in QF route planning if there is a general move to avoid HKG over SIN where pax can continue on QF flights.

I would not be surprised if Darwin features on the plans. Perth will be out of play until at least the next electoral cycle. Europe is within reach of the 380 or 787 from Darwin.

 

[roogirl]

I would not be surprised if Darwin features on the plans. Perth will be out of play until at least the next electoral cycle. Europe is within reach of the 380 or 787 from Darwin.

I was wondering this. Was looking at QF flights for next year to Melbourne (yes can dream) and basically dismissed them as I don’t want to book anything going through WA as we know it is not to be trusted. Friends on the repat flights said the Darwin time was v doable and would be even nicer if you landed at drw itself rather than the raaf base they drop the plague flights off at the moment. Wonder what DRW can handle from a passenger perspective? Presumably they’d be thrilled to have the business.

 

[justinbrett]

Darwin time was v doable and would be even nicer if you landed at drw itself rather than the raaf base they drop the plague flights off at the moment. Wonder what DRW can handle from a passenger perspective? Presumably they’d be thrilled to have the business.

It’s the same airfield, just different sides of the runway. I believe the flights are back at the civilian terminal now.

Darwin airport doesn’t get paid unless they use their terminal, the airfield is owned by RAAF.