Priority boarding on QF domestic - what is the story?

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I would assume Qantas have done their sums on the former (maybe well hear more in two weeks); the latter is just hyperbole given the credible reports Qantas have put out for new tenders on the Lounge WiFi.

When I see changes, I will believe there is movement at the station. Until then, talk is cheap, like the boarding announcements that say I can Board at Convenience. When told that I should cut into the head of the queue to do this, well I no longer fly domestically with QF. Why? Because that is not the way I expect the airline I fly with to treat their customers, Elites or not.

As for QF doing their sums, please. It is a one time insignificant capital cost (which you would never see on the bottom line) for maybe 200 signs and Tensa barriers. No extra staff or BP scanners and no extra time to board the aircraft. So I can't accept cost or extended aircraft loading time is the reason why QF do not do this.
 
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As for QF doing their sums, please. It is a one time insignificant capital cost (which you would never see on the bottom line) for maybe 200 signs and Tensa barriers. No extra staff or BP scanners and no extra time to board the aircraft. So I can't accept cost or extended aircraft loading time is the reason why QF do not do this.
It may be philosophically entrenched ... perhaps staff find it difficult to enforce from an emotional sense.
 
It may be philosophically entrenched ... perhaps staff find it difficult to enforce from an emotional sense.

I think this is the issue as well. BA, AA and QF UK based staff don't have this issue, but it seems Australian based staff QF and DJ do. Just refer to the thread in the DJ section about the staff allowing pax to use the PE and J seats.
 
I think this is the issue as well. BA, AA and QF UK based staff don't have this issue, but it seems Australian based staff QF and DJ do. Just refer to the thread in the DJ section about the staff allowing pax to use the PE and J seats.

Yes, I agree. Its got something to do with Australian culture and liking to think we're all playing on an even field. Its strongly entrenched in our view of the world. All thats needed though is strength from above, floor supervisors, via their line managers need to be kept honest on this and they will in turn help to turn the 'fear' of their staff around.

Its definitely a lack of leadership that causes these issues. The front line people feel uncomfortable due to cultural reasons and need a bit of hand holding to reassure them.
 
It may be philosophically entrenched ... perhaps staff find it difficult to enforce from an emotional sense.

QF are approaching their lowest point:

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Nothing philosophically entrenched about this that a swift kick in the cough and a reality check would not fix.
 
Finally, it looks like at ~12.15pm, the money came back into the market and it's risen 25 points since. Buying opportunites abound :D

To me (and others here), it's disappointing that QF have a process Internationally (that works really well), that they for some reason (that escapes me and others), haven't replicated domestically.

Glad I've been using up all my QFF points. Perhaps it's time to see what DJ offer...priority boarding is obviously one thing (from the photo) where they have a good process and it works.
 
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To me (and others here), it's disappointing that QF have a process Internationally (that works really well), that they for some reason (that escapes me and others), haven't replicated domestically.
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But it doesn't always work properly internationally either.

Yes, there are separate lanes, and the usage is generally regulated when boarding commences.

However, many a time I have arrived at the gate to find two long queues of general PAX using BOTH lanes - seems that after the initial flurry of boarders, the staff then permit anyone to use the priority lanes.
 
I just tweeted Qantas and they just said...

"Hi Liam, at this stage we only offer this service for international flights however if anything changes we will let you know!"
 
I just tweeted Qantas and they just said...

"Hi Liam, at this stage we only offer this service for international flights however if anything changes we will let you know!"

ha!

_They_ are the ones who will know all right. Elite mass exodus to someone else, really, anyone else, who treats them right. I doubt this issue alone would cause such a change of heart of loyal QF elite PAX, but its all the little niceties added together than really matter.
 
I just tweeted Qantas and they just said...

"Hi Liam, at this stage we only offer this service for international flights however if anything changes we will let you know!"


Tweet back with, the page that states WP's get Priority DOM Boarding with a link....and also OW's Sapphire and Emerald benefits. l'd do it but l don't do twitter.
 
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I just tweeted Qantas and they just said...

"Hi Liam, at this stage we only offer this service for international flights however if anything changes we will let you know!"

I hope you replied that the qantas website clearly says platinum get it for domestic flights.
 
I hope you replied that the qantas website clearly says platinum get it for domestic flights.

Likewise as do the recent boarding announcements, which follow the OW stated benefits for OWE / WP and OWS / SG. It is very clear that inside QF, the right and left hands are not connected to the same head or that head doesn't have a functional brain that gives a damn about delivering this stated OW benefit.

The recent domestic boarding announcements gets it right. The QF Gold and Platinum benefit web site pages do not get it right, nor does Red Roo, the QF Tweet responder or the lack of physical "Board at Convenience" equipment.

Total incompetence on the part of QF management. And you wonder why I do not fly with them unless it is the very last and only option. I no longer trust QF to deliver on anything.
 
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.. And you wonder why I do not fly with them unless it is the very last and only option. I no longer trust QF to deliver on anything.

No one is wondering why you left......you have told us all a hundred times.

Now you have left why do you care? It does not impact you yet you are constantly talking about it, move on and enjoy DJ.

Not everyone considers priority boarding to be useful, I like to wait until the last minute before leaving the lounge when there is no line up, and now everyone has jumped ship and headed to DJ the lounges will be empty and I will enjoy them more.

ejb
 
No one is wondering why you left......you have told us all a hundred times.

Now you have left why do you care? It does not impact you yet you are constantly talking about it, move on and enjoy DJ.

Not everyone considers priority boarding to be useful, I like to wait until the last minute before leaving the lounge when there is no line up, and now everyone has jumped ship and headed to DJ the lounges will be empty and I will enjoy them more.

ejb

Why do I care? Because as a WP, "Boarding at Convenience" is one of my stated benefits. I normally board with an extra jacket, laptop bag and rollie that need to be placed in the overhead bin as I sit in exit row sets. If I do not get on early, then there may be no overhead bin space for my carry on due to QF failing to deliver on my stated benefit.

Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Benefits & Privileges - Status Privileges

QF are not delivering that benefit, have given lip service that it is not a benefit (recent QF tweet on this subject), yet announce it at every boarding. If this right hand does not know what the left hand is doing does not worry you, or you wish to believe this very visible systematic failure is only restricted to domestic boarding then I wish you all the best in your future flying.

I do believe QF has the capability of regaining it's once proud place as one of the world's best and greatest airlines. But not until QF understands and accepts there are major internal problems that need to be addressed.
 
I don't understand all the complaints here. Qantas Platinmum members are invited to join the boarding queue at any time they like during the boarding process. They can choose to join the queue before boarding has commenced and stand in line waiting, or they can join they queue as soon as boarding commences rather than waiting for their row to be called, or they can wait until the end when there is no queue.

So when the boarind is being managed by rows, the Platinum members don't need to wait until their row is called and can join the end of the boarding line at any time they choose. In my view, boarding at your convenience does not mean jumping the queue, but joining the queue at the time that suits you.
 
So when the boarind is being managed by rows, the Platinum members don't need to wait until their row is called and can join the end of the boarding line at any time they choose. In my view, boarding at your convenience does not mean jumping the queue, but joining the queue at the time that suits you.

I'm sure you are right. Well spotted and well explained. The separate boarding lane they we've all been banging on about for the whole thread is obviously valued by at least some elites else this thread wouldn't be as long as it is. I know I've used this separate lane when its been available (with other airlines) and its certainly been convenient.

But, I reckon you've nailed the reason 'why' QF doesn't do it this way - their view of convenience is as you have rightly explained.
 
I don't understand all the complaints here. Qantas Platinum members are invited to join the boarding queue at any time they like during the boarding process. They can choose to join the queue before boarding has commenced and stand in line waiting, or they can join they queue as soon as boarding commences rather than waiting for their row to be called, or they can wait until the end when there is no queue.

So when the boarding is being managed by rows, the Platinum members don't need to wait until their row is called and can join the end of the boarding line at any time they choose. In my view, boarding at your convenience does not mean jumping the queue, but joining the queue at the time that suits you.

That is not how I have been advised by QF ground staff that "Boarding at Convenience" or "Priority Boarding" works. What I and others here have been told to do is to cut into the head of the boarding queue and enjoy the eyes burning holes into the back of your head. Too bad if I just cut in front of a CL, brother WP or SG.

This is so EASY to implement as DJ have done. No additional ground staff (1 ground staff and BP scanner serves both boarding lines), BP scanners or delayed boarding. Just a very small bit of capital expenditure for 3 signs and 1 Tensar tape system:

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What I can't understand is why this is so difficult for QF to implement?
 
I'm sure you are right. Well spotted and well explained. The separate boarding lane they we've all been banging on about for the whole thread is obviously valued by at least some elites else this thread wouldn't be as long as it is. I know I've used this separate lane when its been available (with other airlines) and its certainly been convenient.

But, I reckon you've nailed the reason 'why' QF doesn't do it this way - their view of convenience is as you have rightly explained.

The QF benefit web page clearly states Platinums receive "Domestic Priority Boarding":
Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Benefits & Privileges - Status Privileges
 
On some afternoon flights between Mel and syd priority for platinum members would be a meaningless construct. Though having all the plats in their own line would leave the rest of us with a nice short line.

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I just tweeted Qantas and they just said...

"Hi Liam, at this stage we only offer this service for international flights however if anything changes we will let you know!"

What exactly did you ask them?

Why do I care? Because as a WP, "Boarding at Convenience" is one of my stated benefits. I normally board with an extra jacket, laptop bag and rollie that need to be placed in the overhead bin as I sit in exit row sets. If I do not get on early, then there may be no overhead bin space for my carry on due to QF failing to deliver on my stated benefit.

Remember, it's priority boarding listed as a benefit, not board at convenience, on the QF site.

I don't understand all the complaints here. Qantas Platinmum members are invited to join the boarding queue at any time they like during the boarding process. They can choose to join the queue before boarding has commenced and stand in line waiting, or they can join they queue as soon as boarding commences rather than waiting for their row to be called, or they can wait until the end when there is no queue.

So when the boarind is being managed by rows, the Platinum members don't need to wait until their row is called and can join the end of the boarding line at any time they choose. In my view, boarding at your convenience does not mean jumping the queue, but joining the queue at the time that suits you.

Firstly, as above, the stated QF benefit is priority boarding. Although that's conveniently not defined, I'm firmly of the view that board at convenience, as I've outlined before and do so again below, is not priority boarding.

Surely loyalty programs are about rewarding customers, making whatever it is the business offers easier, more convenient and less of a hassle. Leaving the lounge 30 minutes before a flight commences just so you can be at the front of the queue for a flight isn't rewarding. Priority boarding is a stated benefit and it's not being implemented. Furthermore, boarding by rows is, in my experience, very rare on QF domestic flights. And regardless, even if it was the norm, the benefit of 'priority boarding' surely lends itself to a call being made for those passengers who are entitled to the priority, before anyone else. Saying 'passengers in rows 15 to 30 and Platinum Frequent Flyers may board now' is inviting half the plane to board, at the same time. If QF is boarding by rows then surely the announcement should be something along the lines of 'We will shortly commence boarding by rows. At this time, those with needs etc. . . . We also invite our Qantas Frequent Flyer Platinum members to board at their convenience'.

(Note that 'at their convenience' is fine in this case, provided Platinums are given the opportunity to board with priority (ie. first). Something like 'QFx is now ready for boarding. Please have your boarding pass . . . Qantas Frequent Flyer Platinums may board at their leisure' is not priority and merely pays lip service to the benefit.)

I'm sure you are right. Well spotted and well explained. The separate boarding lane they we've all been banging on about for the whole thread is obviously valued by at least some elites else this thread wouldn't be as long as it is.

More than that, though, it's about a published benefit not being provided. The anytime access for Platinums was less about the benefit itself than it was about the erosion of a clear delineation between Platinum and Gold. Similarly, priority boarding is very much about a business stating it will give its customers something that it ultimately doesn't.
 
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