PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefitted

[jamesatfish]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

Another observation - if PSR is planned to be a long term loyalty assessment then toddlergr is screwed. I got him an everyday rewards card and QF membership as soon as he was born pretty much but he wont earn many SCs for a long time so he will be permanently behind in the PSR ...

My daughter is in the same boat - her FF membership started about 2 hours after she was born. She's on a PSR of 14 - 20SCs / 17 months of age. Don't think that'll qualify her for the double SC offer.

 

[simongr]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

Low PSR was quoted as a requirement for the double SCs promo

 

[markis10]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

Interesting notion of a PSR.

The phrase was actually mentioned by a Premium Desk staffer as reported in that thread by another member, I was just reporting that it seemed to confirm by belief that such a thing existed and explained why different people had different experiences when it comes to unpublished benefits. I am not sure if my conjecture is accurate, they may well have a rolling 10 year average which IMHO provides a more accurate assessment of the current "worth"of a frequent flyer instead of looking at "lifetime" value.

Agree that long-term SG shows more loyalty than short-term WP - especially if SG is mainly personally-funded not work-funded.

Who funded the travel only comes into play from a QF perspective for CL membership, ie rewarding the actual high spender or influencer of that high spend, for the rest of us I think its safe to say QF dont care where the money comes from, unless its as a proceed of crime such as the recent thread regarding tickets being issued before you paid for them by "last flights" .

 

[drewbles]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

Low PSR was quoted as a requirement for the double SCs promo

I got the December promo and back then my PSR would have only been 15 or so less. Is that low enough?

 

[ozmille]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

At the moment my PSR is 974 and will be approx 1134 by the end of my year. Only been QF FF since 2007.

 

[NM]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

hmm, 13 years at 14,000 SC makes 1076. But in the last 4 years that number is more like 5. So if there is any weighting for recent SC earning I am not looking to flash.

 

[Anna]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

QF dont care where the money comes from.

What I meant was, someone who chooses to spend their own money on Qantas is showing personal loyalty to Qantas whereas someone who chooses to spend their employer's money on Qantas (or has that choice made for them) is only being loyal for as long as their employer keeps on funding it. I agree that QF probably don't care. But if Qantas is trying to keep track of loyalty I think it is a relevant point.

My overall calculation was based on 12½ years.

I used 13 years. I'm at 676 with 12.5 years. (I think).

that's a PSR of 709 since joining or 1419 since 2005.

If PSR is intended as an indication of overall loyalty then don't you have to include the years you didn't fly as well as the years you did?

 

[awilcockson]

Another observation - if PSR is planned to be a long term loyalty assessment then toddlergr is screwed. I got him an everyday rewards card and QF membership as soon as he was born pretty much but he wont earn many SCs for a long time so he will be permanently behind in the PSR ...

I did this for both of my kids as well when they were about 5. Might backfire for them in the end, although they could always sign up for a new membership when they are older?

What I meant was, someone who chooses to spend their own money on Qantas is showing personal loyalty to Qantas whereas someone who chooses to spend their employer's money on Qantas (or has that choice made for them) is only being loyal for as long as their employer keeps on funding it. I agree that QF probably don't care. But if Qantas is trying to keep track of loyalty I think it is a relevant point.

But isn't it showing even more loyalty if you have to fight internal policy to get company funded travel approved on Qantas, when the travel policy would have you flying elsewhere?

 

[Alanslegal]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

PSR can also be very misleading because if one does alot of non-QF flights and credits to QF ..... then it's not really being loyal or demonstrating worth to QF, that's MO.

 

[burrco]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

After missing out on the last two DSC promos my permanent status rating is pissed off!

 

[jdlover23]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

im sitting on about PSR of 675 - joined 2006 - took me some convincing after being a Golden Wing Ansetter for years - to rejoin any program - struggled to PS every year until last year - when i decided to have a crack at Gold - "crack" being the operative word, im addicted - got WP in 2 weeks from the beginning of my earning year, just crossed 4k lifetime status and will prob do about 3000sc's total this earning year...anyway ive already convinced myself to only get the required 1200 next earning year...for my sanity and bank balance - having said that ill be 2/3 there in the first 2 weeks of my new earning year after my FASA to europe in September

Thanks AFF!

 

[Alanslegal]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

Oh and my PSR is about 557.

If based solely on QF flights, it would probably be around 60

Ps. Never received any invitiation to a double SC's ever.

 

[Anna]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

But isn't it showing even more loyalty if you have to fight internal policy to get company funded travel approved on Qantas, when the travel policy would have you flying elsewhere?

As long as you win the fight

 

[awilcockson]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

As long as you win the fight

1410 SCs in 5 months, can't be doing too bad

 

[jamesatfish]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

If PSR is intended as an indication of overall loyalty then don't you have to include the years you didn't fly as well as the years you did?

Good question. I included both figures because:

1. I didn't really start 'flying' in the 'Frequent Flyer' sense until 2005, so the second figure is more representative of my travel patterns & loyalty than the first;

2. The larger number sounds better (to me at least).

My trip in 1999 was with Qantas. My next trip in 2005 was with Qantas. That's a 100% loyalty to Qantas over that period but that isn't reflected through the PSR.

This (and the thoughts about my daughter and her life-long FF membership) raises a question. My wife flies significantly less frequently than I do but her PSR is much higher - about 1100 compared to my 709 - purely because she only joined as a QFF member when we actively started flying. Is she therefore more 'loyal' to Qantas than I am?

 

[connieguy]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

As long as you win the fight

Member for 11 years. PSR of 483 and WP for the last 2 years. Just scrapped in WP first year, 3,150 SCs last year (end April), 120 so far this year. No invite.

 

[straitman]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

The phrase was actually mentioned by a Premium Desk staffer as reported in that thread by another member, I was just reporting that it seemed to confirm by belief that such a thing existed and explained why different people had different experiences when it comes to unpublished benefits. I am not sure if my conjecture is accurate, they may well have a rolling 10 year average which IMHO provides a more accurate assessment of the current "worth"of a frequent flyer instead of looking at "lifetime" value.

PSR is an interesting and a logical concept but I agree that it should/could/would have some limitation of a 5 or 10 year rolling average or it would become nonsensical.
In my case the figure is 8345 / 9.5 years which equals 878.

 

[jpk]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

603 for me, although as my account came courtesy of a credit card it had little flying activity for the first 5 years.

I'm not convinced QF value spend over a lifetime, the last 3 years or so would make more sense. CX do track the difference between personal and company spend btw, so some airlines value loyalty differently.

Call centre people are often wrong about the program details, so don't believe everything you hear from them... The QF insiders lurking here are probably laughing at the lather we instantly worked ourselves into

 

[drewbles]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

PSR is an interesting and a logical concept but I agree that it should/could/would have some limitation of a 5 or 10 year rolling average or it would become nonsensical.
In my case the figure is 8345 / 9.5 years which equals 878.

If it's over 5 years, mine jumps up considerably. From 2001-2006 I was just making PS every year, so that's around 5 years at roughly 300SC's a year (say 320) making it only 1600 or so. Then, in the next 5 years it's been 5400 or so. That's giving me a PSR of 1080.

I prefer the rolling 5 year idea myself. Doesn't penalise me so much for the 5 years I was not flying that much.

 

[samh004]

Re: PSR - Permanent Status Rating - what's yours and how do you think you have benefi

When I was targeted last year my PSR would have been 320 (560 LT / 1.75 years), by now, my PSR is 624 (1405 LT / 2.25 years). So I’ve had a big jump, but mainly through that last promotion, oh and nearly all my flights have been on QF. Other than some FJ flights with QF numbers I’ve maybe credited 15SC from BA, and about 50SC from JQ.