Qantas boosts international capacity, wet lease Finnair aircraft

[ozflier]

What AY charges for any airfare is irrelevant to this deal as thse are QF marketed and sold airfares apply to these services.

Anyway, AY has usually (and still is) been good value for combo Business Class europe return and RTW fares. Last I checked a month or so back $7200ish for a RTW in J is pretty good.

I realise you're talking about economy and not business and are cynical about the proposed arrangement. I guess proof will be in the pudding, but seems pretty clear about aircraft amenity that will be provided. Basically AY provide the hard product and staffing, QF provide the soft product (though the IFE is a bit of a question mark?)

Richard ,
Good points.
The pre Covid RTW fare out of Australia was indeed good value but not as much now - more restrictive and more expensive!
Its got to the stage that the LH RTW beats AY!

 

[Quickstatus]

Don't forget about 31 years ago QF leased a 747-300 to JAL. Inter airline leasing is common

VH-EBY

 

[Melburnian1]

Best of both (one)worlds!

Have you that of taking over from the much acclaimed Barry H?

The amount of one liners you come up with is amazing.

 

[AIRwin]

Have you that of taking over from the much acclaimed Barry H?

The amount of one liners you come up with is amazing.

Oh I'm just everage...

 

[AIRwin]

Here are some FAQs from the QF Industry site: https://www.qantas.com/agencyconnec...hy-book-qantas/finnair-a330-300.html#business

I just noticed there is also a dedicated page on the QF website:

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/book-a-trip/flights/finnair-a330.html

 

[clifford]

Must admit, having flown AY 350 (HEL-BKK) and QF 330 (CGK-SYD) last week, I'd be first in line to fly the AY metal to SIN over QF metal.

And that goes for the flight attendants too.

 

[clifford]

Unfortunately, Qantas will prevent the AY staff from serving such wines as:

 

[moa999]

They will serve whatever the Qantas carts provide...and it won't have those cool glasses either.

 

[CaptJCool]

this will probably explain the wet leasing - carrying Flight crew into Australia on overseas pay rates

https://www.actu.org.au/media/1450364/anapr_qantas_web.pdf

https://www.actu.org.au/actu-media/media-releases/2023/qantas-cabin-crew-employed-by-14-companies and now 15...

 

[oz_mark]

this will probably explain the wet leasing - carrying Flight crew into Australia on overseas pay rates

https://www.actu.org.au/media/1450364/anapr_qantas_web.pdf

https://www.actu.org.au/actu-media/media-releases/2023/qantas-cabin-crew-employed-by-14-companies and now 15...

The wet lease I think sits outslde this, and served Finnairs purposes as well. They had spare capacityl.

 

[k_sheep]

Flew a BA ticketed flight on a wet leased Finnair. Was great!

 

[moa999]

The wet lease I think sits outslde this, and served Finnairs purposes as well. They had spare capacityl.

And spare pilots and crew already employed to fly the aircraft.
Fleet changes take some time to plan with crew hiring and training.

 

[Danger]

this will probably explain the wet leasing - carrying Flight crew into Australia on overseas pay rates

https://www.actu.org.au/media/1450364/anapr_qantas_web.pdf

https://www.actu.org.au/actu-media/media-releases/2023/qantas-cabin-crew-employed-by-14-companies and now 15...

Have I read the ACTU slides correctly? Qantas's UK-based crew are paid something like GBP12 an hour? And Jetstar's crews based in Singapore, Bali and Thai crews are paid around $6, $2 and $2 an hour respectively, which apparently includes those crews flying to and from Australia?

 

[CaptJCool]

Have I read the ACTU slides correctly? Qantas's UK-based crew are paid something like GBP12 an hour? And Jetstar's crews based in Singapore, Bali and Thai crews are paid around $6, $2 and $2 an hour respectively, which apparently includes those crews flying to and from Australia?

Yes

Same job same pay it’s not

Saving it is

How good is cheap overseas labour

Turns out the Finnair cabin crew are Asian based too so the mathematics is profitable

 

[Danger]

I'm simply gobsmacked at those Asian-based wages. I really don't know what to say.

 

[http_x92]

Looking quite tempting to go to Singapore and get upgraded to J from a Y saver fare but might be some competition of people wanting to try those seats around early December.

 

[CaptJCool]

I'm simply gobsmacked at those Asian-based wages. I really don't know what to say.

We are privileged in Australia

$300 a month in Indonesia is “living like a princess”

Dollar Street - photos as data to kill country stereotypes

Imagine the world as a street. Everyone lives on Dollar Street. The poorest to the left and the richest on the right. Every else live somewhere in between. Where would you live? Visit Dollar Street and see homes from hundreds of homes from all over the World.

www.gapminder.org

I do like they use ID for Indonesia
The wizard of Id

It’s even lower in the Phillipines

Dollar Street - photos as data to kill country stereotypes

Imagine the world as a street. Everyone lives on Dollar Street. The poorest to the left and the richest on the right. Every else live somewhere in between. Where would you live? Visit Dollar Street and see homes from hundreds of homes from all over the World.

www.gapminder.org

 

[Skyring]

We are privileged in Australia

$300 a month in Indonesia is “living like a princess”

Dollar Street - photos as data to kill country stereotypes

Imagine the world as a street. Everyone lives on Dollar Street. The poorest to the left and the richest on the right. Every else live somewhere in between. Where would you live? Visit Dollar Street and see homes from hundreds of homes from all over the World.

www.gapminder.org

I do like they use ID for Indonesia
The wizard of Id

It’s even lower in the Phillipines

Dollar Street - photos as data to kill country stereotypes

Imagine the world as a street. Everyone lives on Dollar Street. The poorest to the left and the richest on the right. Every else live somewhere in between. Where would you live? Visit Dollar Street and see homes from hundreds of homes from all over the World.

www.gapminder.org

Gapminder and Hans Rosling's book Factfulness are superb. Well-presented.

Back on track, I flew Finnair A350 BKK-HEL-BKK recently in J (albeit their Business Light, with no included lounge or luggage) and the hard product is superb. The non-reclining seats are supremely comfortable sitting or lying. Heaps of storage space, even for a full-sized laptop. Adequate power outlets, extra storage under the seat in front, no fighting over overhead bins. Nice big touchscreen with a remote that is pretty woeful.

I loved it.

 

[Mwenenzi]

Have I read the ACTU slides correctly? Qantas's UK-based crew are paid something like GBP12 an hour? And Jetstar's crews based in Singapore, Bali and Thai crews are paid around $6, $2 and $2 an hour respectively, which apparently includes those crews flying to and from Australia?

With airline cabin crew the headline pay (as per the union jabbering) and the take home pay after allowances can be a lot different.
But closer in Asia.

 

[RooFlyer]

Report in The Oz this morning about how the Flight Attendants Association of Australia are unhappy with Qantas and its plans for the Finnair services:

The Flight Attendants Association of Australia said it was originally told Finnair cabin crew were facing job losses due to reduced flying and agreed to Qantas’s request to support the plan.

But the FAAA had now learned Finnair’s “partners” are in fact Asian-based labour hire companies currently advertising for crew for the Qantas-Finnair flights.

FAAA industrial officer Steven Reed said they felt misled by Qantas and questioned why Australian cabin crew could not be used on the flights instead.

“The lack of transparency around this issue is breathtaking. We were briefed on a commercial-in-confidence basis earlier in the year and the information we were given about saving the jobs of Finnair crew is inconsistent with what’s happening in practice,” Mr Reed said.

“We thought we were doing something to assist Qantas to access more aircraft and save jobs and we find out that additional labour hire crew are being recruited in Asia to do work that should be done by Australians.”