Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

[Alanslegal]

Apart from them being an inappropriate choice for travel in the first place,
who in their right mind would wear thongs to get on a flight anyway?
Thongs often break at the most inopportune time.
You won't be allowed on a flight sans footwear.

Errrrrr....well if I'm flying to HKT, NAN, HNL and a few other beach-y type destinations .... then thongs is a preferred choice for me - and if I happen to be visiting the F Lounge prior, then so be it

Also, if the plane has an unlikely water ditching, thongs would be favourable against shoes because I could kick them off and swim to the surface vs. spending critical seconds trying to untie my shoes (and possible bad stuff).

I agree that if you are dressed for the beach or the pub you should not be allowed into a Qantas lounge, not even if you have a first class ticket (probably purchased by the company, who should not employ a person like the one described).

You don't judge a book by it's cover ..... so I follow the logic that you do not judge a person by their .... thongs?

It is my opinion that Qantas establish a separate lounge for these people. and i am not being a snob, but the passengers of both sex are the same in their attire. The company pays for their flights as a perk and they receive the points and finish up with Gold and Platinum membership.

Firstly welcome to AFF.

However all my travel is personal and for leisure. I pay for all my fares using my own money - nobody pays for me, nobody subsidises me. I travel upto 12 weeks per year all for fun and somehow is fortunate enough to qualify (for the 1st time) WP last year.

If your opinion is for a separate lounge, then might as well create a separate lounge for us self-funder WP's This lounge will probably have a handful of people at any one time; and the dress code, well dress ceiling if I may call it, would be if one is wearing a suit ... then they would be refused entry

I'm happy to wear my suit during the working week, but if I am on holidays - and that's the only time I'm at the airport - then I should not feel bad because I'm casually dressed amongst tens of men in suits and Tumi bags

 

[Old Dynamite]

Conditions of membership are contract terms. Grow up. Unfortunately some don't read anything, and others are made members by inept companies, or become so because of their travel frequency. Why not have an option on joining of opting for the "dags" section (a free beer voucher or two should suffice to attract the "right" people). This could be a separate room near entry with beer and chips only, and a hose-able floor.

 

[bertair]

Last time I flew into the US, we were told to put our shoes on and take our seats one hour from landing due to Homeland Security or FAA regulation. So to the fools who wear thongs/flip flops or whatever they are known by in your kneck of the woods, think again. It is your feet that you are risking. It is rude to expect others to tolerate your open feet.By all means wear the foot socks or gloves provided by the airline or buy your own.
As for attire in lounges, where do you draw the line ? What next bare (bear) torsos on men I see so many men seeming to want to display their hair, tatts and muscles etc in public these days? Surely smart casual means just that, not bikie/punk filth. Offensive T shirt slogans too should not be allowed. Surely Security can take care of any who wish to cause offence when refused entry.
The lounges are meant to be a haven from the masses out in the terminals. So what is the point of joining if these horrible people are let in ? Whether it is Gold Coast, Canberra or Melbourne, there is no place for this vileness creeping into our society. At least the airlines can help raise the standards by insisting on a dress code that is acceptable to the wider community.Not only in the lounges but on their aircraft as well.Who wants to sit next to some sweaty boozed creep who removes his shirt in flight as I once did with my wife from Coolangatta to Melbourne.
I doubt if the wearing of thongs, filthy attire or bare chested men would be allowed in any US or British Lounge or airline.

By the way, perhaps Serfy could open up a page here for us to post photos similar to Walmart People, of "People @ Airports".... I have a few ready made.

 

[Rebekkap]

Re: Dress standards

All points that are earned should be the property of their Company as that which happens in most private enterprise organisations. So Qantas lift your game and make all stand buy the rules that you set as you make us stand by your rules on ticketing.

I don't believe that's the case. The T&Cs of QFF membership Clearly state that membership is only open to individuals, NOT companies:

5.1 Membership of Qantas Frequent Flyer is open only to individuals. Membership is not open to families, groups, companies, trusts, partnerships, other entities, government departments, agencies, animals or inanimate objects.

Of course companies can choose, if they are able to negotiate it with Qantas, to buy fares that do not come with points, but I do not believe it is legally possible for them to claim they own your points. Even with government, back when government employees used to earn points, their conditions of employment only said they couldn't use them for personal use while employed by thte government (although they were allowed to use them to upgrade on work flights over a certain length I
believe).

I've flown with every company I've ever worked for, and none of them has ever tried to claim they 'own' my FF points. Nor would they get far if they tried to.

 

[BNE777]

If you want to go to the beach, dress for the beach. If you want to use a business lounge dress accordingly and stop being lazy. It wont kill you to not look like a Kath and Kim stereotype and a normal person.

That said, I was in the business lounge the other day and some chap walked in and was wearing gargantuan sunglasses with creased nasty but obviously designer shirt and designer jeans which may have looked good on a hugo boss model but did little to flatter his rotund short fatness make it more coco the clown than coco channel.

He sat there with his Louis Vitton luggage on display and made loud telephone calls. Surprised the phone came away cleanly from the side of his face with all the hair gel, or perhaps grease.

His vulgarity was more hideous than any thong wearing display could have generated.

 

[JohnPhelan]

The issue is really simple - Qantas already has a minimum dress standard for lounge entry, and that is "smart casual". The problem is that, in the main, they don't actually enforce it.

Of course, lounge staff don't want to have confrontations, but if I was in the international F lounge and saw someone in thongs, shorts and singlet, I would ask to speak to the lounge manager to complain, because the whole tone of the lounge would be lowered by someone dressing so totally inappropriately.

No one could ever possibly think that thongs - no matter how expensive - could be classed as "smart casual".

 

[RobJ]

The best thing about the GFC was the sadly temporary decline of cashed-up bogans in QC.

For some, male and female, burquas should be mandatory.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Sorry Kerry, l disagree.

Hi-Vis is mandatory uniform for every mine site and lots of people fly to work and then go straight to the "office".
Waking up at 4am and hitting the deck running for a 12 hour shift and you want "insert company here" to keep the points? No way!!! When l was doing lots of FIFO in WA as a casual/subbie, l didn't earn points on all flights because sometimes l would fly Skywest/Network/Skippers where you didn't earn any points. So when l did fly QF, that was one perk l did like to keep.


JohnPhelan said: "The issue is really simple - Qantas already has a minimum dress standard for lounge entry, and that is "smart casual". The problem is that, in the main, they don't actually enforce it."

I agree with this to an extent. I have flown on smalled charter flights ("milk runs") where the limit is 10kg (for a 2-3 week stint). How can l possibly fit my "smart casual" attire in when my work clothes are nudging the 10kg mark already? eg; SYD-PER (QF), PER-BME (QF), BME-Stop 1 (Charter), Stop 1- Stop 2 (Charter), Stop 2- Destination (Charter). I have still presented myself in the QC in PER on the return with Collared shirt, jeans and work boots ("Steel Blue", steel cap, Argyle-wheat), I seriously couldn't do much better than that.

 

[rdb]

I thought the lounges were for members to relax in while in transit, etc, therefore, as long as the person is clothed it should not matter - trousers, shorts, T shirt, suit, shoes, thongs. Otherwise it's nothing but a snobbish fashion parade.

I would love to be a millionaire, very frequent flyer, and get told by the management that my dress was not good enought and I would tell them how much business Qantas was about to lose. I have not time for people who think they are only dressed if in a stupid suit.


And I am a Qantas shareholder with considerably above average shareholding.

 

[anat0l]

The latest AFF newsletter has the headline article billed as:

Aussie National Dress Shunned at Qantas Club

Aussie National Dress? Since when are stubbies, singlet and thongs the Aussie national dress? I mean, Aussie that outfit may be, but the national dress you have clearly got to be kidding me.

The day that such an outfit is the Aussie national dress is the same day that Waltzing Matilda is our national anthem, i.e. the day when this nation has officially gone to Hell.

 

[purplegez]

Only the fat ones

If you have even a small bulge / pot belly you should never tuck - leave out.

If you have abs - tuck away

How about we go further, (and I am digressing here), and don't allow fat people in the lounge or on the aircraft for that matter, then I won't have to make myself smaller and smaller in my aircraft seat to avoid your overhanging flesh and body parts that spill over into MY SPACE!!
.....sits back and awaits angry responses

 

[draper]

I pay (Not my Company)
I signed an agreement on joining that I will respect and Abide by the Rules
Qantas must IMHO abide by the rules and respect my membership
They must enforce the dress code
Full stop end of story
If Qantas fails to enforce the dress code then they have set a precedent of failure to enforce a signed agreement.
This will open the flood gates
No enforcement of baggage restrictions
No enforcement of a policy that restricts those of us in cattle class from wandering into the area "on the other side of the curtain"
Qantas "Clean up your act".

 

[JohnK]

Errrrrr....well if I'm flying to HKT, NAN, HNL and a few other beach-y type destinations .... then thongs is a preferred choice for me - and if I happen to be visiting the F Lounge prior, then so be it

I still fail to comprehend. You don't take any closed footwear to these destinations? Wear your closed footwear on the way over and when you get to the beach you can wear your precious thongs. Win, win situation for all.

You don't judge a book by it's cover ..... so I follow the logic that you do not judge a person by their .... thongs?

Sometimes looks are the only thing we have to judge a person. I will simply to choose whether to engage or continue in a conversation with someone simply by the way they look.

What next bare (bear) torsos on men I see so many men seeming to want to display their hair, tatts and muscles etc in public these days?

These type of people show no signs of having a brain to display.

The one that stays in my mind is the overweight (read obese), middle aged English males who parade all over the beach towns in Thailand walking around with their t-shirt inside their shorts and showing off all their flab and wrinkly tatoos. That is not a good look at all....

 

[serfty]

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By the way, perhaps Serfy could open up a page here for us to post photos similar to Walmart People, of "People @ Airports".... I have a few ready made.

Not on you nellie!!!

I have seen the Walmart thingy and I wish to propagate nothing further like it!:shock:

 

[11sjw]

I thought the lounges were for members to relax in while in transit, etc, therefore, as long as the person is clothed it should not matter - trousers, shorts, T shirt, suit, shoes, thongs. Otherwise it's nothing but a snobbish fashion parade.

I would love to be a millionaire, very frequent flyer, and get told by the management that my dress was not good enought and I would tell them how much business Qantas was about to lose. I have not time for people who think they are only dressed if in a stupid suit.


And I am a Qantas shareholder with considerably above average shareholding.

"Smart Casual" is not "a stupid suit." However "Smart Casual" also does not include thongs.

Like any club members Qantas Club members are required to abide by the rules (this one doesn't seem to be policed very well) of the club. One such rule of the Qantas Club is that members be dressed in "Smart Casual" attire. The fact that I have paid my membership does not give me the right to show up to the to the Qantas Club Lounge dressed like a yobbo fresh off a good wife beating session.

If I tried showing up to my golf club in jeans and a tank top I'd be shown the door very quickly. A little more of this from the QC staff would go to making the lounge experience much more pleasant.

Re FIFO workers, they're generally better dressed than most not wearing a uniform.

 

[Alanslegal]

The best thing about the GFC was the sadly temporary decline of cashed-up bogans in QC.

For some, male and female, burquas should be mandatory.

Pretty discriminatory comment from all angles IMHO.

 

[wandalinda]

Does this also apply to women QC members???? not that stubbies are the go but I often travel in a singlet top and leather thongs .... where do you draw the line?

 

[Alanslegal]

I still fail to comprehend. You don't take any closed footwear to these destinations? Wear your closed footwear on the way over and when you get to the beach you can wear your precious thongs. Win, win situation for all.

Well its all about comfort, and to me, I'm happy with wearing my thongs. And the entire dress for the day incl. my thongs when worn, would IMO pass the smart casual test. A person would be having to look very closely (and must be sooo bored or whatever) to notice ....... better still, follow the monthly lounge meet threads and make sure you are not in the lounge when I'm not travelling - btw we guest two at all lounges since the GF is also a WP, and for advance warning, she also wears thongs (for the feet)

Sometimes looks are the only thing we have to judge a person. I will simply to choose whether to engage or continue in a conversation with someone simply by the way they look.

Why judge and why have that false belief? that you are better than someone else purely because you think you are more prettier than someone? or that your style of dress is better than theirs? or that the cards in your wallet is shinier than someone's else? Its your choice what you do so whatever makes you happy, then that's how it is.

 

[Alanslegal]

Of course, lounge staff don't want to have confrontations, but if I was in the international F lounge and saw someone in thongs, shorts and singlet, I would ask to speak to the lounge manager to complain, because the whole tone of the lounge would be lowered by someone dressing so totally inappropriately.

So one casually dressed guy in the F Lounge sitting in quietly in the lounge, drinking a glass of coca cola, overlooking the runway, minding his own business, listening to his iPod will lower the whole tone of the lounge :?:

I would rather sit next to the person above (most likely to be me) than a group of business men talking loudly, talking nothing but big words trying to be bigger and better than everybody else. If you want to take it that low, then I guess those being loud and proud in a relaxing lounge .... well would lower the whole tone, more than one thong wearing guy discreetly in the corner.

 

[JohnK]

Why judge and why have that false belief? that you are better than someone else purely because you think you are more prettier than someone? or that your style of dress is better than theirs? or that the cards in your wallet is shinier than someone's else? Its your choice what you do so whatever makes you happy, then that's how it is.

Society is built on judgment otherwise there cannot be progress.

Anyway I never said or implied I am better nor that the clothes I wear are better. If I am going to hang around someone then they need to have a minimum dress standard and unfortunately stubbies, singlets and thongs are not smart casual. The few friends I do have, yes I have a few friends believe it or not , know how to dress and know what is inappropriate to wear when travelling, going out etc.