Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

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Was in PER QP recently for a (ugh) red eye and the place was so full of hisviz outfits it was sore to the eye.....
Still they were pretty clean and OK drinking the bar dry, but understandable.. most of them behaving fairly well :)
 
If you want to visit another culture, I'd say it's pretty reasonable for them to expect you respect it while you're there. If people from other cultures want to visit Australia, they have to respect our culture too.

I certainly don't want to start or turn this thread into a culture debate, but that is the problem..... it's a bit one way IMHO.
 
I certainly don't want to start or turn this thread into a culture debate, but that is the problem..... it's a bit one way IMHO.

It's not compulsory to visit other countries - if covering your knees is so offensive to you, stay home and wear shorts.
 
If people from other cultures want to visit Australia, they have to respect our culture too.
Sorry to say but that's not happening.

But we are such tolerant and desperate people we don't care. All we care about is that we respect others.
 
Sorry to say but that's not happening.

But we are such tolerant and desperate people we don't care. All we care about is that we respect others.

I've never seen a visitor from another country disrespecting Australian culture. And I think it's weird that you claim Australians are a "desperate people". Desperate for what?
 
It's not compulsory to visit other countries - if covering your knees is so offensive to you, stay home and wear shorts.

I never said covering my knees is offensive to me.
The point I am making is that I expect the same tolerance from other cultures that I show them. What is wrong with that?

How would I be branded if I said to somebody from another culture that you must dress a particular way, if you find that manner of dress offensive then stay home and wear xx_xx, it is not compulsory to visit Australia?
 
I never said covering my knees is offensive to me.
The point I am making is that I expect the same tolerance from other cultures that I show them. What is wrong with that?

How would I be branded if I said to somebody from another culture that you must dress a particular way, if you find that manner of dress offensive then stay home and wear xx_xx, it is not compulsory to visit Australia?

There's nothing wrong with expecting everyone to be tolerant. It's hard to see though how Australians could apply a single dress standard to overseas visitors, since we don't even agree on a single standard for the Qantas Club, let alone the whole country. So you couldn't really say "you must dress a particular way". But we do say, for example, you can't be topless on most beaches, unlike much of Europe, and you can't spit in public, and you can't hit your wife. And if you do not respect our standards, you can be arrested and charged with an offence.
 
I've never seen a visitor from another country disrespecting Australian culture.
I have seen. Others I know have seen.

And I think it's weird that you claim Australians are a "desperate people". Desperate for what?
Desperate to make it look like we are doing our best to show we care when the people we are trying to impress don't care. And certainly don't care about respect for us.
 
While not exactly, er, dress code related I thought I'd relate this rather funny moment from, of all places, the SYD J lounge loos today.

As I walk in I hear a father talking to his son urging him to wash his hands...

Son: But Dad I didn't touch my willy, so I don't have to!!
Dad: umm what?
Son: I didn't touch my DOODLE, so it's OK!!!!
Dad: wait.. just what DID you do?!!!!

Several other gents and I got a chuckle out of that one.

This may or may not have been related to a page for a clear some 15-20 minutes later. I honestly don't know what transpired, apart from, apparently NO HANDS! lol
 
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Generalise much?
Why would you care?

Should I just write off my experiences and take your word for it that all is OK?

Manners as well as dress sense are becoming non existent by the day.

I encountered 6 people walking across the footpath the other day in Brisbane. Looked like backpackers but I could be mistaken. They saw me but made no effort to make way. Should I have walked on the road or just stand there hoping they will walk around me?

Heading out to BNE airport the other day and I notice a young(ish) girl get on the train with bra and shorts. Some people think it's fashionable. I think it's disgusting. Right place for it is the pool/beach. Not Saturday afternoon shopping in Brisbane City.
 
JohnK,

Caught the train the other night from the city to home after a NBL game, full train and not one person stood up for a senior person.

Social values are a thing of the past
 
This seems to be spinning OT but I'll just add my 2 cents for good measure.

In terms of the "When in Rome..." thing I absolutely feel cultural sensitivity is very important. In my view if I visit someplace else, I need to be appropriate to THAT place and that culture, not by my own standards. It shows respect. Doesn't matter if I personally agree or not.. if I'm there for whatever reason I think it's important to do that. I mean how many people do you hear jumping up and down about how when foreigners immigrate to Australia they should "become aussie" and integrate into society and accept our norms? Seems hypocritical to want that, but then to go barging into another country which accepts a certain code of conduct and not do the same. For me, it's like if I visit a place, church or home or whatever where it's expected to remove one's shoes before entering, then I will. Manners and respect. Now, if I'm in a private place like a hotel room, private area where it's understood more lax conditions are OK then sure. And of course in a hotel room well all bets are off (lol).

Now to John's comments about manners and common courtesy - yes, imho as a grumpy cat middle aged guy (sigh) I see it more and more and it depresses me for the future. Nothing annoys me more, specially as someone who walks a lot for exercise, to have pathway hogs that are not polite enough to move aside or thoughtfful enough to make sure they're NOT using all the space. I understand a group will want to walk together to chat and whatever.. fine, but have some *consideration* for others is all I ask.

I do think we need to be careful to not generalise too much as for as manypath hoggers and feet on bulkhead types out there there are many, young and old, who do have polite manners and perhaps I notice it more when (yes I'll generalise here a younger person) I see it displayed. I try to make a point to acknowledge and thank the person if it directly affects me.. good manners and courtesy should be encouraged but not in an overbearing way or anything.

Back to the QC... I was somewhat amazed when at the food counter yesterday and I picked up tongs to grab some cheese (or at least attempt to LOL) the lady next to me said "Oh it's so hard... Just use your hands.. I did!" uh...... and trust me, I've made an embarassing effort at an unnamed QC in the system once of accidently dropping some salami into the cheese bowl as it slipped out of the damn tongs.. I was mortified but I still try and do the right thing!! Said lady did show some manners in offering to give me some tomato though :) However I then noticed one of the staff filling up the bread with their bare hands so..... it was not a great day in that respect...
 
I do think we need to be careful to not generalise too much as for as manypath hoggers and feet on bulkhead types out there there are many, young and old, who do have polite manners and perhaps I notice it more when (yes I'll generalise here a younger person) I see it displayed. I try to make a point to acknowledge and thank the person if it directly affects me.. good manners and courtesy should be encouraged but not in an overbearing way or anything.
I agree generalising is not good but why take offence at someone generalising?

How are the people hogging the footpath going to know they are doing the wrong thing?

It's not important to make an issue out of it but a whole lot of little things becoming acceptable over time because we ignored them are now a problem.
 
I agree generalising is not good but why take offence at someone generalising?
I didn't take offense, I was just making a general statement and didn't mean to imply that you (or anyone else) was.. if I did, I'm sorry :) I reas really just trying to say that it's easy to get annoyed and irritated with all the small things we see and to forget that there are great people out there and better ones who pass on common courtesy and manners to the next generation and who act by example :)

(don't get me started about some "parents" in food courts and other public spaces who let their little darlings run amock, leave cough everywhere ("it's someone's job to clean this up" - but there's a bin right there as you walk out it's not HARD!) or similar.

oops I set myself off!! Sorry! :D
 
I don't understand why there isn't a small sign requesting no feet on the bulkheads, it would have some effect and would also give crew a bit of standing in asking people exhibiting particularly gross behaviour as pictured above to desist. Also if the magazine holder was higher on the bulkhead people would at least keep their feet below it.
 
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