Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

[russ]

I am sitting in the SYD QF J lounge at the moment, spying:
- a guy in a blue singlet
- guy behind me wearing slip-on sandals
- a guy in a football jersey
- only one guy with his shirt tucked in
- nobody wearing a hat or gloves

 

[russ]

It gets worse!

I called in reinforcements from the QP next door, where Johnk was assessing the dress sense of the Vixens (whoever they are.)

We proceeded to carry out out a clandestine but detailed under-the-table inspection and are shocked to report three pairs of thongs (four if you count a woman).

I am feeling a bit overdressed in my Tevas!

 

[hopes]

It gets worse!

I am feeling a bit overdressed in my Tevas!

I take it all back ! Actually checked out some Tevas today and surprised myself by even thinking of getting a pair.

 

[thewinchester]

Interesting, I was not aware that airline staff were prohibited from the lounge wearing hi-vis gear.

From what I know from first hand knowledge of various airline operating procedures & standards for which I have undertaken compliance auditing for, it is commonly written, read and understood staff with reason to enter an airline lounge must not do so whilst wearing hi-viz or ramp clothing during normal operations. It should go without saying that this doesn't apply during a declared emergency affecting the terminal.

 

[Durin's Bane]

• Hi-viz clothing (inc shirts, vests and pants) are not smart casual (and airline staff are prohibited from entering the lounge with hi-viz gear, so you're not any different). If you're going to a minesite, keep them in your bag and change at the arrival port you lazy sod.

I've enjoyed reading this thread, as there are many good points. It is a complex and very interesting discussion.

But as someone who wears hi-viz gear when flying to site on day trips and the like, the above comments needs to be responded to. Interesting that you don't fly enough to earn lounge access but paid for the privilege reckon hi-viz wearers are 'lazy sods', including senior professionals like managing directors, vice presidents and general managers.

Your theory of changing at the arrival airport is great in principle but sadly lacking in any thought or logic. Have you ever tried to change your shirt in the men's toilets at Karratha airport? Ever wondered what the sticky stuff on the tiles is? Hint, it's not water. The tiny lounges at these regional locations are not amenable for changing clothing either.

Many professionals fly to site on day trips and are carrying briefcases, computers and significant amounts of paperwork - there isn't the space to carry another shirt. Plus you'll find most of those guys are actually senior management and don't even work in the plants or mines at all, but in offices. So their clothing is not 'dirty'.

I travelled through the Sydney T3 Qantas Club (before the Business Lounge was developed) numerous times in my shirts with reflective strips on the way to Newman via Perth - I guess the funny looks I used to get from some of the suits was indicative of your thoughts?

I would argue one's behaviour is a far better reflection on a person than the dress they're wearing.

BTW I'll keep on wearing my thongs in the First Class lounges thank you very much. They're the Big-W $7.95 kind too.

 

[Sprucegoose]

I've enjoyed reading this thread, as there are many good points. It is a complex and very interesting discussion.

But as someone who wears hi-viz gear when flying to site on day trips and the like, the above comments needs to be responded to. Interesting that you don't fly enough to earn lounge access but paid for the privilege reckon hi-viz wearers are 'lazy sods', including senior professionals like managing directors, vice presidents and general managers.

Your theory of changing at the arrival airport is great in principle but sadly lacking in any thought or logic. Have you ever tried to change your shirt in the men's toilets at Karratha airport? Ever wondered what the sticky stuff on the tiles is? Hint, it's not water. The tiny lounges at these regional locations are not amenable for changing clothing either.

Many professionals fly to site on day trips and are carrying briefcases, computers and significant amounts of paperwork - there isn't the space to carry another shirt. Plus you'll find most of those guys are actually senior management and don't even work in the plants or mines at all, but in offices. So their clothing is not 'dirty'.
I travelled through the Sydney T3 Qantas Club (before the Business Lounge was developed) numerous times in my shirts with reflective strips on the way to Newman via Perth - I guess the funny looks I used to get from some of the suits was indicative of your thoughts?

I would argue one's behaviour is a far better reflection on a person than the dress they're wearing

BTW I'll keep on wearing my thongs in the First Class lounges thank you very much. They're the Big-W $7.95 kind too.

Peasant......

 

[ejb]

Peasant......

I however agree that hi-vis clothing does not always mean dirty clothing.

I work in the transport industry and hi-vis is everywhere, sometimes I have to go places on the way to the airport which require me to wear hi-vis and be damned if I am going to stop somewhere and change just because some people perceive it to be low class.

I have never flown in it as I will change in the lounge but to say I can't enter the lounge wearing it is rubbish.

If you are clean and tidy wear whatever you want, and if others don't like it look away because unless I sit on your lap I am not causing you discomfort.

ejb

 

[Sprucegoose]

You don't see it much on the east coast but when I was in Perth they were everywhere. I associate it with the poor behavior those wearing it that some of us will know what I am talking about.

They should separate the WA regional flights to a separate terminal. In fact this was on the cards...update anyone?

 

[drron]

You don't see it much on the east coast but when I was in Perth they were everywhere. I associate it with the poor behavior those wearing it that some of us will know what I am talking about.

They should separate the WA regional flights to a separate terminal. In fact this was on the cards...update anyone?

fly out of MKY on a friday afternoon like i have several times.
i usually strike up a conversation with the other guy not in Hi Vis.

 

[oz_mark]

If you can't meet this commonly understood standard (smart casual), you don't get in. Do not pass go, do not collect AUD200.

Here is a problem though - you are claiming that it is a commonly understood standard, but nowhere is it articulated what it is. I would argue that it is not as standard as you think. Regardless of whether you think it is standard or not, I don't think there is a common held definition (e.g. are denim jeans smart casual or not?). Below you articulate a lot of examples of what you perceive as not being 'smart casual', but again there is not definition of what it is.

Without a definition of what it actually is, it is something that any enforcement by those that have to enforce it, is going to be difficult. If it is as standard and clear as you believe, then articulating what it is should not be difficult.

And at the risk of sounding like a complete and utter snob;

• The lounge you're in and the state it's located make no different - smart casual is the minimum standard EVERYWHERE!
• Thongs, rubber sandals, crocs, and non-dress open shoes are not smart casual
• Singlets and tank tops are not smart casual
• Ripped and torn clothing is not smart casual
• Shirts bearing large and potentially offensive slogans and designs are not smart casual
• Shorts above the knee aren't smart casual
• Hi-viz clothing (inc shirts, vests and pants) are not smart casual (and airline staff are prohibited from entering the lounge with hi-viz gear, so you're not any different). If you're going to a minesite, keep them in your bag and change at the arrival port you lazy sod.
• Trackpants, velour and fleecoes are not smart casual
• Excessive exposed flesh isn't smart casual (and can be downright offensive)

I wonder if a pair of Vibram FiveFingers would be suitable for the lounge?
http://www.vibramfivefingers.it/eng/footwear.aspx

 

[Alanslegal]

BTW I'll keep on wearing my thongs in the First Class lounges thank you very much. They're the Big-W $7.95 kind too.

I hope you're using your Everyday Reward Card and earning QF points on those thongs And I'll see you in the F Lounge with my thongs especially if my destination is Honolulu!

 

[Lawlass]

I would argue one's behaviour is a far better reflection on a person than the dress they're wearing.

BTW I'll keep on wearing my thongs in the First Class lounges thank you very much. They're the Big-W $7.95 kind too.

I hope you're using your Everyday Reward Card and earning QF points on those thongs And I'll see you in the F Lounge with my thongs especially if my destination is Honolulu!

You guys are my new AFF heroes

 

[DC3]

BTW I'll keep on wearing my thongs in the First Class lounges thank you very much. They're the Big-W $7.95 kind too.

A thong for $7.95? Surely the fabric alone would cost more than that.

 

[Dee Thom]

A thong for $7.95? Surely the fabric alone would cost more than that.

Just purchased a pair at K-Mart for $5.00 marked down from $14.00, the cheapest were $3.50.

Cheers Dee

 

[blueflamenco]

Back to thongs! I hope everyone who wears them has perfect feet like Alanslegal

Why choose a thong when there are so many beautiful shoes in this world!

 

[Sprucegoose]

Just purchased a pair at K-Mart for $5.00 marked down from $14.00, the cheapest were $3.50.

Cheers Dee

Yes but the $3.50 would be reserved for the J lounge whereas I would expect the full fare $14 thong be fit for FLOUNGE.......I hope we can at least agree on that...

 

[DC3]

Yes but the $3.50 would be reserved for the J lounge whereas I would expect the full fare $14 thong be fit for FLOUNGE.......I hope we can at least agree on that...

And then the rest of the outfit would need to be just as impressive.

 

[Sprucegoose]

And then the rest of the outfit would need to be just as impressive.

Kathy and Kim got it right!!

Actually all bought at Target / Big W for that authentic Aussie bogan look.......

 

[DC3]

Kathy and Kim got it right!!

Actually all bought at Target / Big W for that authentic Aussie bogan look.......

Sounds noice.

 

[GT351]

Is there a difference between smart casual and smart, casual?

I think so