Qantas Delays/Cancellations

The Wednesday 20 January arrival of the overnight QF24 from BKK (A333 VH-QPC) has been delayed about 55 minutes to 0835 as it did not take off last night (Tuesday) until 1924 despite an 1815 hours pushback time in the schedule.
 
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Although I don't come into these threads often, I've read them now and again receiving info on my delayed flights etc. I noticed how much time Melburnian1 puts into these threads. So thank you Melburnian1 for your continued service. :)
 
cmon0005, many thanks. As with all airlines, the list of delays shown is not exhaustive. None of us can cover every delay and sometimes diversions occur of say a flight approaching DXB or enroute across the Pacific at a time in east coast Australia when most AFFers are sleeping, so any contributions from others are welcome.

It is especially good when 'on the spot' AFF members report on what is occurring at the coalface. Some have been paticularly helpful in informing us as to how they were accommodated overnight in an hotel or rebooked by airlines. This is good bargaining information for members, particularly in respect of low cost airlines whose record in handling long delays from a passenger perspective can be less than stellar. Generally, legacy airlines such as QF, SQ, CX, JL, NZ and numerous others are better at this. perhaps explained by the higher fare structures.

Because of our geography, QF in particular has a number of very long flight sectors, so quite often if one flight is delayed departing from say SYD or MEL, a passenger booked on the return flight can 'know' 15 hours in advance that his flight returning will be late leaving. On occasion this can be in advance of any notification from the airline. Sometimes AFF members such as Flyerqf and myself can more or less predict that say QF28 will form QF25, so if QF28 is badly late, passengers booked on QF25 may be required to overnight in SYD as has recently occurred twice.

Delays are incurred by all airlines but the more significant ones can be of interest as they may show a pattern, and then influence along with many other factors the choice of airline. Safety is far and away the number one consideration but it is a bit of a 'given' although we are all grateful to pilots and their associates on all airlines who maintain a takeoff to landing ratio of 1:1.
 
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The 1135 from SYD to JNB on Wednesday 20 January departed at 1219 with arrival expected on the same day 55 minutes late at 1730. This will delay the departure of QF64 back to SYD.

QF19 (1225 SYD - MNL) departed at 1321 with arrival likely at 1755 hours, 25 minutes late.

QF27 (1250 from SYD across the Pacific to SCL) departed 65 minutes late but arrival is suggested as 1207, meaning a likely slightly late departure of the Wednesday QF28 B744 back to SYD.

The 1505 hours QF7 from SYD to DFW has been delayed in departing until 2200 hours tonight. This means that arrival is forecast at 2020 hours rather than mid afternoon at 1535. In turn, this will delay the same day (Wednesday 20 January) QF8 back to SYD ex DFW, as it is timetabled to be off blocks at 2010, so to expect a 2150 hours departure if the staff can be their usual efficient selves is a likely outcome.

The Tuesday 19 January QF8 (the day before the same flight number in the above paragraph) departed DFW at 2158 instead of 2010 and on Thursday 21 is due in SYD at 0735 instead of 0605. It is very rate for this flight to be unpunctual on two consecutive days as for many reasons including what one QF pilot recently stated was runway works at LAX, the flights ex LAX do not have quite the excellent timekeeping record that the DFW flights normally have.
 
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Because of our geography, QF in particular has a number of very long flight sectors, so quite often if one flight is delayed departing from say SYD or MEL, a passenger booked on the return flight can 'know' 15 hours in advance that his flight returning will be late leaving.

Long sectors - yes. Valid reason for delays? No.

It's not unreasonable for passengers to expect airlines to run services as planned. Mechanical issues are part of running an airline and are foreseeable, as per EU regulations. If you need a more relaxed schedule, or a spare aircraft (or two) to be able to run your services with more certainty, that is an option.
 
MEL_Traveller, valid points (although as you may have noticed I was not expressing an opinion on that - merely pointing out that the long routes give passengers quite a bit of advance warning re delays.)

Unfortunately QF rid itself of a couple of its oldest B747s, which as others have pointed out more than once on AFF turned out to be an unwise decision. While QF was not to know that fuel prices would collapse, in hindsight the company could have weighed up the damage to its reputation from having the sort of 'knock-on' delays affecting either B744 or A388 flights too often in 2015 against the cost of retention of spare 'equipment', and in the little of 2016 that has elapsed.

I expect flights to operate as planned just as I expect suburban and rural trains and coaches and interisland ferries anywhere in the world to operate as per the timetable.
 
Very funny MEL_Traveller.

There are more countries than we might think where trains are on time almost all the time: Austria, Switzerland, South Korea, mainland China, Taiwan and Japan are a few that quickly come to mind. Germany and France are pretty good. Turkey was reliable when I visited, as is a fair bit of Spain. Most of these also have efficient airlines: for instance EVA Air (on which I have not travelled for 15 plus years) is apparently under rated (not many Australians have used it.) Mainland China's airlines may be an exception but the use of airspace by the military must make keeping to time difficult.

Ferries can also be reliable: think Germany to Denmark, Ireland to France, Scandanavia or NZ between the two major islands. Even interisland ferries in Philippines can be reliable (but not when a typhoon is present or forecast, but again, they are forbidden to sometimes sail.) Those in Norway are even more reliable.
 
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The Thursday 21 January arrival of QF20 ex MNL into SYD should be 0723 instead of 0610 as it did not depart last night until 1935, 35 minutes late and presumably spent a fair bit of time waiting ATC takeoff clearance.

QF142 from AKL to SYD has been delayed in departing by an even hour to an expected 0830 but arrival should only be 40 minutes late at 0950.
 
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Melburnian1 you need to lift your game :rolleyes:How come you missed the delays into Melbourne due to fog?
I am pretty sure QF94 diverted back to Syd after doing a few doughnuts NE of Mel.
 
QF9 A380 VH-OQL Phyliss Arnott 21/01/2016 delayed due to engineering requirements expect to commence boarding at mid night. Seems it is a Brake issue. Oh well another glass of bubbles :D

Much rather they fix things on the ground rather than try for a pit stop mid air :D
 
Much rather they fix things on the ground rather than try for a pit stop mid air :D

That's a bit of a red herring.

No respectable pilot or airline is going to allow a plane to take off if there is a safety risk. So there would never be a 'pit stop' because they decided to 'chance' something.

The issue is whether the turn-around times and fleet utilisation strategy are robust enough to accommodate a range of what might be considered reasonably foreseeable maintenance. If this fault was extraordinary to the extent it would fall outside EU guidelines, maybe a different story.
 
That's a bit of a red herring.

No respectable pilot or airline is going to allow a plane to take off if there is a safety risk. So there would never be a 'pit stop' because they decided to 'chance' something.

The issue is whether the turn-around times and fleet utilisation strategy are robust enough to accommodate a range of what might be considered reasonably foreseeable maintenance. If this fault was extraordinary to the extent it would fall outside EU guidelines, maybe a different story.

OUCH was said in humor :D
 
Tonight's QF4 HNL-SYD was diverted to BNE due to storms around SYD. On the ground in BNE for about 45 mins; arrived SYD approx. 2.5 hours late at 22:40.
 
QF 9 now delayed till 3am departure with engineers not sure what is wrong and crew run out of hours at 4 am so looks like this may be a cancellation. At least the wine is still flowing :D
 
No respectable pilot or airline is going to allow a plane to take off if there is a safety risk. So there would never be a 'pit stop' because they decided to 'chance' something.

Application of any MEL is an exercise in risk (aka chance) management. That's a normal part of operations. If MELs were not available, hardly any flights would happen at all.

For instance, you are allowed to depart, and operate for up to 10 days, with an air data computer off line. The risk is than another ADR could fail. Said pit stop would then be a very good idea.
 
on qf94, LAX-MEL, and currently making a pit stop on Sydney due to lack of fuel when take off from LAX.

thing for me is, my final destination is Sydney via Melbourne, so they're letting me off here, alongside another 21 pax woo!
 
Dmac6435, thank you! Yesterday at MEL I observed the diverted QF94 ex SYD arriving at 1129. Staff kept making announcements claiming that departure would be at 1315 hours, but it eventually departed at 1340, by no means the quickest turnaround for a QF A388 that these pages have noted recently: the best was just under an hour and 40 minutes, which is very impressive given the number of tasks undertaken.

For the second time in three months, MEL airport had localised fog that was not evident in many other suburbs. It was a reminder of how when the BOM says 'fog patches' it really means that: the condition does not 'blanket' all of the city, but is sufficient to cause disruption to some flights.

The delayed Thursday 21 January 2325 hours QF9 departed from MEL at 0345 hours today (Friday 22 January.) It should pick up a bit of time to LHR given the slower QF scherdule compared with six months ago.
 
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