Qantas Delays/Cancellations

The previous thread suggested that the delayed QF10 would arrive MEL on Friday 11 March at 2240. This has proven to be optimistic, with the time now shown as 2335.

QF9 from MEL to DXB and LHR is forecast to depart at 0130 on Saturday 12, 125 minutes behind time.

Delayed QF81 eventually departed at 1350 this afternoon, two hours and 35 minutes late. Arrival in SIN ex SYD should be at 1900, two and a half hours late.

Earlier today, QF27 from SYD to SCL departed 52 minutes late at 1342 with arrival forecast as 50 down at 1210. The 1335 hours QF28 back to SYD will depart late.
 
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Your arrival and departure tracking from Melbourne (for all airlines) will be very busy over the next few weeks. Runway works involving the replacement of the approach and touchdown zone lights on 16 are happening, and the touchdown threshold is being moved about 400 metres. So, no lights, ILS or PAPI.

Expect more delays and diversions if the winds are southerly, especially if there's any low cloud.
 
and the touchdown threshold is being moved about 400 metres. So, no lights, ILS or PAPI.
Maybe this should be moved to Ask the Pilot thread, but does this mean that the runway is effectively 400m shorter for operations?
 
Maybe this should be moved to Ask the Pilot thread, but does this mean that the runway is effectively 400m shorter for operations?

I haven't seen the NOTAM (though it should be in the flight package I'll get in a few hours), so I don't know the exact details, but basically that's exactly what it means. So, the the aim point for 16 will move to approximately the intersection with 27. In itself not a huge issue, but the lack of approach aids could be quite limiting.
 
Your arrival and departure tracking from Melbourne (for all airlines) will be very busy over the next few weeks. Runway works involving the replacement of the approach and touchdown zone lights on 16 are happening, and the touchdown threshold is being moved about 400 metres. So, no lights, ILS or PAPI.

Expect more delays and diversions if the winds are southerly, especially if there's any low cloud.

Thank you jb747 for the excellent advance notice. Yesterday (Friday 11 March) had poor punctuality in MEL for JQ (in particular), QF and TT and to a lesser extent VA. While it was probably unrelated to the forthcoming works, perhaps it was a minor taste of things to come. It is unsurprising that the airport has failed to publicise these works as it tends to not want to draw attention to possible delays.

The comment about 'diversions' is particularly worrying as these are a huge inconvenience to passengers (and staff) and a high cost item for airlines. A saving grace may be that low cloud does not occur every day, but there have been predictions that Melbourne will have above average rainfall in April and May.

While we don't want to get ahead of ourselves, for all four major domestic airlines late running to and from MEL tends to severely affect the national airline route network given that MEL is now not handling many fewer passengers than SYD each month. Airlines such as JQ may try to keep some aircraft solely for a day on SYD - MEL - SYD rotations but aircraft bays are finite so other flights can still be hit as a result.

I try to only record late running above half an hour late even though the official definition is 'more than 15 minutes late.' There are quite a few flights nationwide that are on blocks more than 15 but less than half an hour late.

I have commenced a new general 'warning' thread as this is indeed about all airlines, not just QF. Perhaps some of our esteemed pilot or other 'airmen' contributors may be kind enough in time to post the exact dates and times when these works are predicted to commence and end:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ons/probable-mel-delays-due-runway-74633.html

This is what the University of Melbourne has to say about winds in Melbourne. In laymans' terms it might be summarised as 'highly variable, but when these runway works are on, it may be best to travel on morning flights to minimise the chance of delays or diversions':

The wind varies from day to night and from season to season. Wind speed is usually lowest during the night and early hours of the morning before sunrise. It increases during the day as heating of the earth's surface induces turbulence in the wind stream. Wind also varies, with very localised effects of some weather phenomena such as showers and thunderstorms. Examples of the diurnal variation are the sea breeze, which brings relief on many hot days, and the valley or katabatic breeze, which brings cold air from inland Victoria down valleys during the night and early morning towards Melbourne. These breezes are responsible for winds being more often from the north during winter, particularly during the morning. They are also responsible for winds being more often from the south during summer, particularly during the afternoon. This is in spite of the predominant wind stream being westerly in origin. There is a marked tendency for the very windy days to occur during the late winter and early spring months. Melbourne's strongest wind gust on record is 120 km/hr on 3 September 1982.



 
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The Friday 11 March 2016 QF2 should depart LHR at 2035 hours. It left at 2057 but was diverted to MCT in Oman, arriving at 0820 local time on Saturday 12 March, 37 minutes ago. It then has to do the short hop to DXB and proceed on to SYD as usual, so it is highly likely to be a post-0800 Sunday 13 March arrival although QF suggests 0745, but that is with a forecast 70 minutes only in DXB which while probably not impossible would be a pretty quick stop.

For those AFF members who have never done so it is worth a quick look at the QF website's 'flight status' page to type in 'London to Sydney' and select 'Friday 11 March' from the dropdown menu: one can then see the word 'diverted' beside the flight times and further down how long the flight stayed in each 'station', to use an airline term borrowed from railways. Quite fascinating and good programming by the IT gurus at Qantas. They even colour the background to the word 'diverted' differently to rise us out of our slumber.
 
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Thank you Quickstatus: that has been corrected. As you imply the amount of work created by such diversions (or significant delays) must be staggering.

It also presumably is of interest to maintainers such as LAMEs because it is an unanticipated extra touchdown and takeoff.

Simply as a matter of interest, if the plane had was well loaded ex LHR, what typical approximate additional amount of fuel in kilograms would be consumed due to such a diversion?

Showing how these diversion delays can increase, QF expected QF2 to depart MCT at 0925 but departure was 0944. VH-OQF is the A388. It will three hours and 10 minutes late arriving in DXB should that be at 1045 as amended. It could be a SYD arrival on Sunday 13 after 0900, which would be two and a half hours late.
 
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I suspect a diversion fuel cost in this case would be relatively minimal as Muscat is only 400miles round trip to DXB. (Maybe 1.5 hours worth ?). More significantly it would consume an extra flight cycle (take off and landing) with the wear and tear that involves probably shortening the time to the next maintenance check and overall longevity.

It would be interesting to know the hours and cycles attributable to diversions for recently retired aircraft as a proportion of the total. 5% ?

Maybe JB747 or another pilot can give us an idea.

Unfortunately the costs associated with delays, cancellations and diversions is not a line item in the corporate accounts.
 
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QF2 does not appear to be the only flight that has diverted on Saturday 12 March in the Dubai area.

One CX flight not long ago did an unscheduled diversion into DWC and then the extremely short 20 minute if that flight to DXB. BA105 (B772ER G-VIIE) is a bit behind QF2 and also appears to have earlier diverted to MCT. Many planes are in holding patterns not far from DXB.

QF2 is landing in DXB at about 1106 local time after a fairly extensive hold, so for 348 kilometres that was a very slow but hopefully scenic trip for passengers. QF has further amended the DXB departure time to 1215 but my (fallible) guess is that even that is optimistic.

Quickstatus, from what I observe diversions (as distinct from delays) would be minute in the lives of most aircraft - my estimate is less than one per cent of cycles. Diversions are unusual events in the sense of not being commonplace. Someone from the industry may like to confirm that.
 
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Looks like just about every arriving aircraft after 0930 is delayed. I may be reading this wrong as FA suggests "no major airport delays" as of 1820 hrs AEST

Perhaps a runway issue, aircraft emergency, unauthorised drone?
Weather is not unusual
 
The delayed QF2 (A388 VH-OQF) has been put back to an anticipated 1300 hours ex DXB for an 0925 Sunday 13 March arrival in SYD. This is more realistic.
 
Thank you for information on the qf2 diversion. My Partner is on the flight and was able to phone during the wait at Muscat. The passengers were told that due to weather at Dubai, mainly fog, that they were asked to wait in a 3hr holding pattern. Therefore they diverted to Muscat for fuel and onward to Dubai. In fact the manager on opening the doors was asked which fuel card they had! Dubai to Sydney leg is now on the way and showing so far a 9.25am arrival. 01457777417.jpg 01457777450.jpg 01457777482.jpg
 
Eagles, many thanks for the excellent update. AFF member Flightstatus and I noted the extremely severe delays to many other flights at DXB earlier today above - some were far worse affected than QF2, including quite a few EK flights - so weather was always a possibility, and you have kindly confirmed that. QF2 took off at 1413 DXB time with QF suggesting it will arrive in SYD on Sunday 13 March at 1030, not 0925. 1030 will be exactly four hours late.

Apologies but since I have only ever been to DXB at night and not at all to MCT, are your three clear photos above of Muscat, Oman?
 
Yes all photos during the wait in Muscat . The second 2 I believe from the front door while it was open. Thanks, will keep tracking the arrival time.
 
Would it be fair to say that there are more delays on the flights between Aus & LHR since the change to DXB for refuelling?
 
katiebell, the stop at DXB is not just for refuelling. With QF's tieup with EK, it is a most important intermediate stop where many passengers change planes to go on (or come in from) European destinations in particular.

My sense is that yes, delays on the QF LHR via DXB route are far greater than was ever the case when QF ran LHR or FRA flights ex Oz via BKK, HKG and SIN (the pattern in recent years prior to the via DXB switch.) That's not to say that there weren't delays en route at these airports on occasion - there were - but my memory is not of the frequent delays that we see now.

DXB has a surprising amount of problems. Some are weather related. Sandstorms are to be expected, but fog - a concept some of us may at first thought not associate much with a desert - is also present as we saw yesterday with the QF diversion via MCT that resulted in QF2 pulling up at the SYD terminal a few minutes ago at 1035, more than four hours late.

Part of it may be weather related but a valid question may be whether DXB has over-extended itself in becoming such a busy airport, including with a large number of A380s operating. Delays into and out of it appear to be increasingly frequent. This must affect the ability of some QF (and other) passengers to make their booked connections.

There is a degree of subjectivity in any of our preferences as to which airports through which we fly, but SIN, ICN and to some degree HKG are vastly preferable intermediate stops on the way to Europe or for that matter anywhere else. DXB comes across to me (and I have only been there during the hours of darkness) as a third rate copy of SIN (Changi.) On balance, QF's move there has been ill advised (some will disagree with that.)

SQ typically has faster schedules between the main Australian ports (particularly SYD and MEL) and LHR than QF, fewer delays and superior service. A number of other Asian carriers including JL and KE arguably beat QF and the ME3 (EK, EY and QR) on service to boot, so that is an excellent argument to travel to the UK or Europe via Asia and not via the 'desert.'
 
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QF1545, the Sunday 13 March 0835 hours BNE to CBR was cancelled.

QF1467, the 0900 hours SYD to CBR (Q400 VH-QOP), departed very late at 1023. Arrival should be 68 minutes late at 1103. The following QF1473 (the 1045 scheduled departure) has been cancelled, so perhaps QF1467 had to wait for some of the 1473's passengers, but could depart ahead of 1045 because everyone was boarded by say 1020.

The 0855 BNE - TSV, QF970, did not depart until 0939 but should pick up a bit of time en route with its forecast 1121 arrival only 31 minutes late.

QF93 (1020 hours A388-operated MEL to LAX) is not expected to depart until 1200 with arrival forecast for 0800 same day in lieu of 0635.

UPDATE: QF127 (B744 VH-OEJ), the 1135 SYD - HKG on Sunday 13 march departed at 1242. Arrival is forecast as 40 minutes late at 1825.

QF1569, the 1210 OOL - SYD (B717 VH-YQS) took off at 1313 and should arrive at about 1530, 50 minutes late.
 
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SQ typically has faster schedules between the main Australian ports (particularly SYD and MEL) and LHR than QF, fewer delays and superior service. A number of other Asian carriers including JL and KE arguably beat QF and the ME3 (EK, EY and QR) on service to boot, so that is an excellent argument to travel to the UK or Europe via Asia and not via the 'desert.'
AU to LHR via SIN is faster then via DXB.
6-7 hours east coast to SIN + 11-12 hours SIN-LHR vs 13-14 hours to DXB + 6-7 hours to LHR.

Part of the reason for delays around DXB is congestion and ATC issues. The ATC areas in that part of the middle east are small with a number of large busy airports (and thus aircraft in holds).
 

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