Qantas Delays/Cancellations

[Kiwi_Flyer]

QF157 is cancelled due to inbound flight delay which will not make it in the outbound flight to Auckland before the curfew.

Auckland doesn't have a curfew. It is WLG and ZQN that have curfews.

 

[789nerd]

Saturday : After arriving on time into Perth with QF10 from London, B789 VH-ZNF in not expected to depart Perth until 22:00 AWST tonight, a delay of just over 8 hours.

Meanwhile in the opposite direction, QF9 B789 VH-ZND has just pushed back in Melbourne, a 2 hr 50 minute delay. The onward sector to London is not expected to depart Perth until 22:10 AWST (same delay). Revised London arrival is 07:45 GMT/Z, clawing back just 10 minutes.

 

[789nerd]

Saturday : After arriving on time into Perth with QF10 from London, B789 VH-ZNF in not expected to depart Perth until 22:00 AWST tonight, a delay of just over 8 hours.

This flight was subsequently cancelled, with as yet no onwards movement for VH-ZNF.

 

[Flyerqf]

This flight was subsequently cancelled, with as yet no onwards movement for VH-ZNF.

Hope all those people weren't waiting in the airport for 8 hours only to be cancelled.

 

[789nerd]

This flight was subsequently cancelled, with as yet no onwards movement for VH-ZNF.

Qantas have solved this issue, by cancelling today's MEL-PER QF9 sector allowing B789 VH-ZNF to layover in Perth and take this evenings QF9 to London. There is no delay posted for that flight as yet.

 

[789nerd]

Hope all those people weren't waiting in the airport for 8 hours only to be cancelled.

As has been discussed here for some time, the actual number of passengers continuing to Melbourne is such, that Qantas have found cancelling the PER-MEL MEL-PER sectors to be less disruptive than to find an alternative aircraft.

It is noticeable that while other QFI B789 services were recently cut (Post #14,255), with no direct alternatives, the PER-LHR-PER route had been unaffected.

 

[OATEK]

As has been discussed here for some time, the actual number of passengers continuing to Melbourne is such, that Qantas have found cancelling the PER-MEL MEL-PER sectors to be less disruptive than to find an alternative aircraft.

It is noticeable that while other QFI B789 services were recently cut (Post #14,255), with no direct alternatives, the PER-LHR-PER route had been unaffected.

While your observations make sense about the amount of disruption to the fleet, passengers who were booked in J or Y+ for MEL-PER-MEL would be pretty unhappy to find themselves on a 737. Again shows the folly of not having any Y+ on the A330s that could be swapped in the the domestic legs of QF9/10.

 

[Flyerqf]

As has been discussed here for some time, the actual number of passengers continuing to Melbourne is such, that Qantas have found cancelling the PER-MEL MEL-PER sectors to be less disruptive than to find an alternative aircraft.

It is noticeable that while other QFI B789 services were recently cut (Post #14,255), with no direct alternatives, the PER-LHR-PER route had been unaffected.

So on the days that the 787 operate between MEL-PER-MEL, Qantas are running with 236 empty seats in each direction across all services?

 

[Flyerqf]

Qantas have solved this issue, by cancelling today's MEL-PER QF9 sector allowing B789 VH-ZNF to layover in Perth and take this evenings QF9 to London. There is no delay posted for that flight as yet.

ZNF is taking the QF10 PER-MEL sector and ZNB is going back to London on QF9.

 

[Melburnian1]

B789 VH-ZND on QF9 took off from PER at 2227 hours on Saturday 4 February but this morning European time has diverted to FRA of all places. It had flown as far as Belgium but turned back.

It looks to have landed in Frankfurt at 0720 hours this morning local time (1720 AEDT).

Engine issue or some other problem, or medical emergency?

Perhaps QF10 from LHR on Sunday will be adversely affected, and maybe then other flights ex east coast Australia in time.

A333 VH-QPE on QF87, the 0935 hours Sunday 5 SYD-BKK was not airborne until 1351 this afternoon so expected at gate arrival becomes 2203 hours, 223 minutes late. Redeye QF88 will be similarly tardy.

UPDATE: Given duty hours by 1840 AEDT will have been apporaching 19 at a guess for the QF9 flight crew, it may well be unlikely that the aircraft can immediately continue on to London.

I assume the aircraft will have to refuel in Frankfurt given it turned back from about Belgium.

 

[Flyerqf]

B789 VH-ZND on QF9 took off from PER at 2227 hours on Saturday 4 February but this morning European time has diverted to FRA of all places. It had flown as far as Belgium but turned back.

It looks to have landed in Frankfurt at 0720 hours this morning local time (1720 AEDT).

Engine issue or some other problem, or medical emergency?

Perhaps QF10 from LHR on Sunday will be adversely affected, and maybe then other flights ex east coast Australia in time.

A333 VH-QPE on QF87, the 0935 hours Sunday 5 SYD-BKK was not airborne until 1351 this afternoon so expected at gate arrival becomes 2203 hours, 223 minutes late. Redeye QF88 will be similarly tardy.

UPDATE: Given duty hours by 1840 AEDT will have been apporaching 19 at a guess for the QF9 flight crew, it may well be unlikely that the aircraft can immediately continue on to London.

I assume the aircraft will have to refuel in Frankfurt given it turned back from about Belgium.

Doesn’t appear to be any other diversions at LHR. The diversion must have only got them on the ground 20 mins faster.

Hopefully the flow on impact is not too disastrous.

 

[Melburnian1]

Doesn’t appear to be any other diversions at LHR. The diversion must have only got them on the ground 20 mins faster.

Hopefully the flow on impact is not too disastrous.

Thanks, as I omitted to check if there was fog or some other reason why LHR might have been closed or restricted in what flights it could accept.

QF's website shows planned departure from FRA at 0850 with a landing time in LHR of 0920 hours, but it's 1000 hours in FRA as I write.

 

[Flyerqf]

Apparently ZND will be leaving FRA at 1300 tomorrow. Passengers will be accommodated overnight.

 

[jukebox333]

Tomorrow's QF10 PER-MEL sector has been delayed by 3 hrs. That's almost as long as the flight.

 

[Flyerqf]

Tomorrow's QF10 PER-MEL sector has been delayed by 3 hrs. That's almost as long as the flight.

It’s actually delayed by 3 hours + 1 day.

 

[789nerd]

It’s actually delayed by 3 hours + 1 day.

Which fits with Qantas showing the LHR-PER sector departing at 16:30 GMT/Z on Monday with a similar delay.

 

[Melburnian1]

Which fits with Qantas showing the LHR-PER sector departing at 16:30 GMT/Z on Monday with a similar delay.

This has further changed to the 5 February QF10 estimated to depart LHR at 1650 hours today (6), so 1740 minutes late.

The overnight delayed QF9 sitting in FRA (VH-ZND) is also further delayed to allegedly push back at 1450 hours, not 1300 as Flyerqf said above. This means gate arrival at LHR at about 1525 hours, so if ZND is operating the '1650 hours QF10', it's likely to not get away until at least 1720 if not beyond.

 

[jrfsp]

This has further changed to the 5 February QF10 estimated to depart LHR at 1650 hours today (6), so 1740 minutes late.

The overnight delayed QF9 sitting in FRA (VH-ZND) is also further delayed to allegedly push back at 1450 hours, not 1300 as Flyerqf said above. This means gate arrival at LHR at about 1525 hours, so if ZND is operating the '1650 hours QF10', it's likely to not get away until at least 1720 if not beyond.

It will probably be easier to further delay Sunday's QF10 rather than swap a/c which would then delay Monday's QF10.

Looks like it was handled really well

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622250135538307072

 

[milehighclub]

It was a medical and unfortunately the outcome was not good

 

[789nerd]

The onwards QF10 PER-MEL sector for the 24hr + delayed flight is now showing as cancelled. Not sure this cancellation will hold, as of the ETA of ZND in Perth (17:25 AWST Tuesday), there will be two B789s in Perth, with ZNB having arrived earlier Tuesday afternoon with the normal QF10 LHR-PER, ready to turnaround for the Tuesday QF9 PER-LHR. Seems unlikely that ZND would do the turnaround as that's a 115 minute scramble.

Earlier I surmised ...

Qantas have solved this issue, by cancelling today's MEL-PER QF9 sector allowing B789 VH-ZNF to layover in Perth and take this evenings QF9 to London. There is no delay posted for that flight as yet.

This did not happen, instead ZNB turned around for QF9 PER-LHR & ZNF took over ZNB's passengers on the QF10 PER-MEL sector