Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[mannej]

SQ going to 4 a day I think I read somewhere....

Yep I have read that aswell, it all seems to be a mix of 772, 773 and 330 ops.

What is the refurbed 772 and 773 product like?

 

[The Rok]

If QF are really about to ditch BA in favour of a cosy arrangement with EK then that would provide a reason as to why BA have started jumping up and down about Galleries access at LHR!

Maybe these negotiations have been going on for a long time!

 

[mannej]

If QF are really about to ditch BA in favour of a cosy arrangement with EK then that would provide a reason as to why BA have started jumping up and down about Galleries access at LHR!

Maybe these negotiations have been going on for a long time!

It is not just Galleries access at LHR, it is BA lounge Access fullstop.

 

[chrisb]

My concern is what happens to QFF Status people on EK. I don't have much status but I like being able to select seats and not end up wedged in the back corner.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

What is the refurbed 772 and 773 product like?

Great for day travel - not the greatest to sleep on.

 

[yohy?!]

777s for QF getting bandied about a bit, apparently EK may exchange some production slots in return for LHR landing slots.

Would be interesting to see what that would do for internationals economics by swapping out some of the 747 flying for 777s

 

[The Rok]

777s for QF getting bandied about a bit, apparently EK may exchange some production slots in return for LHR landing slots.

Would be interesting to see what that would do for internationals economics by swapping out some of the 747 flying for 777s

Mmmmm now there's a nice thought...

 

[Isochronous]

Could EK cut back or pull out of the NZ market and hand it over to QF if QF is giving EK FRA? Or maybe EK will introduce a PER-AKL service as a QF codeshare?

 

[BindiBratz]

My concern is what happens to QFF Status people on EK. I don't have much status but I like being able to select seats and not end up wedged in the back corner.

My understanding is that Emirates is open to status matching in certain circumstances, so who knows..??? also, by joining Skywards (which is free) you can select seats on their flights

 

[The Rok]

If you can't at least earn QFF points & sc's on EK then this whole thing will be a WOFTAM for most people!

 

[markis10]

If you can't at least earn QFF points & sc's on EK then this whole thing will be a WOFTAM for most people!

QFF points and SCs are a given if its codeshare, lounge access not so.

 

[yohy?!]

Lol just imagining hordes of angry SG, WP and QP outside the Maharba (?) lounge in DXB denied access as their onward flight is a codeshare on EK metal

 

[anat0l]

777s for QF getting bandied about a bit, apparently EK may exchange some production slots in return for LHR landing slots.

Would be interesting to see what that would do for internationals economics by swapping out some of the 747 flying for 777s

It's always going to come back to the historical blunder of QF not purchasing 777s... at least a lot of armchair experts here will gladly get their egos rubbed.


Facetiousness aside, I wonder if QF do acquire 777s, then how will they be configured. I'm not optimistic that they will necessarily be in 4-class config; I'm going to guess J/W/Y instead, just like the 747s.


On top of that, I didn't know that QF retained some of its landing slots at LHR after pulling out 2 services. Otherwise, I would've argued that that doesn't exactly give EK much more of what it wants / could want (cf. BA acquiring BD, even though it had to give up a number of those back to other airlines as part of the purchase agreement). After QF gives up those slots, it definitely won't be getting them back again / it's going to be a cold day in Hell before QF will ever fly more services into LHR again. (Might be a nice incentive to think about flying to other European destinations if they ever get back to that kind of scenario).

Could EK cut back or pull out of the NZ market and hand it over to QF if QF is giving EK FRA? Or maybe EK will introduce a PER-AKL service as a QF codeshare?

Why should they? Many international airlines would be doing fine and dandy with their freedom services on the Trans-Tasman, mainly because the extra leg is almost a throwaway in cost (compared to the greater leg operated on top of the Trans-Tasman), and yet they are still pulling pax off from others in the Trans-Tasman market and reaching directly another market (New Zealand).

I know there are a few people around here who will not be happy if their cheap luxurious weekend getaways across the Tasman courtesy of EK are taken away. The New Zealand faithful will be even more disappointed if EK pull out (especially those on the South Island).

The only thing that QF has up on EK as far as Trans-Tasman is concerned is frequency (and WLG and ZQN possibly). Given that bona fide EK pax can still travel direct to New Zealand on fairly well-timed flights anyway, I still don't see why EK should pull out these services. It might help QF Jetconnect feel a bit better (not making as big a loss), but that is really it.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Could EK cut back or pull out of the NZ market and hand it over to QF if QF is giving EK FRA? Or maybe EK will introduce a PER-AKL service as a QF codeshare?

This was one possible big benefit I was considering but there is no F for a start.

 

[medhead]

On top of that, I didn't know that QF retained some of its landing slots at LHR after pulling out 2 services.

The official company line was the slots would be retained and leased to other airlines. (maybe BA was mentioned)


Sent from the Throne

 

[JohnPhelan]

The official company line was the slots would be retained and leased to other airlines. (maybe BA was mentioned)

I believe that's correct. QF didn't want to lose the slots, so it has retained them and they are currently being used by BA (for its additional HKG service, for one).

 

[ajw373]

It's always going to come back to the historical blunder of QF not purchasing 777s... at least a lot of armchair experts here will gladly get their egos rubbed.

It was not a blunder. The 777's available early on did NOT suit the Qantas network in terms of capacity and range. Being either too big for the short routes or without the legs for the long routes.

The 777's that are available NOW would be good (speaking of the -300ER and -200LR), however Qantas decided to go with the 787/A380 combo instead. Though of course we know where that has ended up in terms of delays to both programs and now the cancellation of firm orders for the 787. Though wouldn't be surprised to see another type ordered to replace the 787's.

So hardly a blunder, and those that carp on about it conveniently forget the time difference between model development in the 777 range.

 

[markis10]

It was not a blunder. The 777's available early on did NOT suit the Qantas network in terms of capacity and range. Being either too big for the short routes or without the legs for the long routes.

The 777's that are available NOW would be good (speaking of the -300ER and -200LR), however Qantas decided to go with the 787/A380 combo instead. Though of course we know where that has ended up in terms of delays to both programs and now the cancellation of firm orders for the 787. Though wouldn't be surprised to see another type ordered to replace the 787's.

So hardly a blunder, and those that carp on about it conveniently forget the time difference between model development in the 777 range.

The 300ER was first delivered over 8 years ago, hindsight suggests QF should have ordered some to top up the ER order, the blunder they have made is sitting on their hands while most other airlines in the same position has moved to ordering 777s and topping those orders up, including pretty much most of the airlines QF directly competes with. Even some new 767s would have made sense, I am sure the delays would have seen some Dreamliner compo making them cheap, just like the A330s that JQ have enjoyed, leveraging off the skills base and parts inventory already in place, not to mention the pilot pool, many of whom are now flying for EK or have left for CX.

 

[ajw373]

hindsight suggests.

I rest my case, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Now if the A380 and 787's had of been delivered on time...

 

[markis10]

Now if the A380 and 787's had of been delivered on time...

If Qantas management over the past 6 years had reacted to the situation like their competitors did......


In your earlier post you talked about what's available now, simple fact is there is nothing available now until 2017 regardless of who or what you chose.

Am I the only one who thinks the move to cancel the firm 787s is a bit like someone using the house deposit to pay the rent, I suppose the future is renting with the option of housemates who you may not have liked in the past, and perhaps in the future?