Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[oz_mark]

Well the article Danger is quoting is saying EK may join OW.That would be a real game changer.
In the words of Chairman Kaga-"Bring it on"

Certainly would be a game changer, and also bring better benefits to QFF folk than a simple codeshare agreement would.

 

[anat0l]

Overall, from a naive level I'd like to say this is very good, forthcoming news; on a more pragmatic note, I'll believe it when (a) it is announced, and (b) the detail is revealed.

The airlines remain silent on the deal but sources in the US have confirmed the much-heralded union of two of the airline industry's most high-profile brands.

Qantas a high-profile brand? Maybe in Australia, and moreover maybe for all the wrong reasons.

Guess journalism is a bit more naive and throw-about in the West.

The alliance will give Qantas' loss-making international business a big boost.

This will really depend on the deal done with EK. A partnership alone does not make a better business. A good journalist should've probably put something like, "The alliance is predicted to give Qantas' loss-making international business a boost."

Emirates announced recently it was going to increase flights from Perth from two to three a day next year and use the giant 500-seat A380.

QF are not going to have many W options with this EK partnership, unless they sell connecting flights on EK Y. (Not sure how VA handle their W product with EY, and how people accept this or otherwise).

With Qantas code-sharing on Emirates flights to Europe, it is understood Qantas will boost flights to the US with Emirates sharing on those flights [emphasis added].

I find this rather interesting. All I can see how this is good for EK is that they can target their demographic in South West Pacific who want to travel to the USA, viz. rather than take the "long way" via DXB (not sure if it really is shorter, especially to JFK).

It would be nice if this gives an incentive for QF to put services back to SFO and YVR, but of course everyone knows that this is ridiculously optimistic.

It'll be interesting to see if QF's DFW strategy can work in with EK.

Passengers will be able to "earn and burn" frequent flyer points on both airlines.

I see some people here looking very much forward to jumping on their high balances on EK F.

Emirates is not expected to take any equity in Qantas but the Dubai-based airline may join the oneworld alliance, which also includes British Airways, Cathay Pacific and American Airlines [emphasis added].

I'm not sure which will happen first - Greece returns into the black from its debt without exiting the Eurozone or defaulting on bad debts, or EK joins oneworld.

It sounds great in principle. I'm not sure how the other heavyweights in oneworld would look at welcoming EK (on the other hand, there was always a rumour that CX may leave oneworld and defect to *A, if anything probably to spite and get away from the heathen QF), but the network coverage would be magnificent, and it would be the first new partner to oneworld in a long time which actually sports a premium product and extensive network.

Even if EK were interested in entering oneworld, I'd expect that it (and oneworld in general) would have an absolute nightmare with every competition / anti-trust commission / regulator around the world in securing codesharing and product sharing.

 

[serfty]

Qantas won't leave oneworld - it would annoy to many pollies, let alone highly paid public servants.

Posted on a wing and a prayer ...

 

[anat0l]

Qantas won't leave oneworld - it would annoy too many pollies, let alone highly paid public servants.

What for? I thought many of them couldn't give a damn who they flew, as long as it was not in Y.

Not that many of them might be flying QF as it is - it wouldn't fly them to many useful places.

 

[serfty]

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Not that many of them might be flying QF as it is - it wouldn't fly them to many useful places.

But oneworld does/may ... it's very entrenched.

Back when AN was on the scene it was pretty evenly split - not so now ...

 

[JohnPhelan]

Is it very possible for QF to be out of Oneworld? If so, does that mean MH might not be in Oneworld since QF sponsored them???

QF will not be getting out of oneworld.

 

[Must...Fly!]

If QF leaves oneworld, it's pretty hard to see it surviving given how deeply entrenched QF is there and the other problems ow has faced recently.

Yet if Emirates joins, it deals a hell of a blow to Star.

Depends if EK's attitude towards loyalty schemes changes. Skywards will need a massive shake-up for this to occur. Expect the EK version of WP to be really really hard to get. It's the biggest problem IMO, the sheer number of Gold skywards members is mind-boggling.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Of course the other way to look at it is that this is just the latest episode in the never-ending saga of appendage-measuring between the Al Nahyan's and the Al Maktoum's.

 

[The Rok]

To me it looks like all these news articles that are popping up all over the globe are based on rumour and innuendo directly from this thread. There is no real comment from any credible person that any of this is true.... There may very well be some disappointed folks come Thursday.....

 

[ajw373]

Qantas won't leave oneworld - it would annoy to many pollies, let alone highly paid public servants.

Posted on a wing and a prayer ...

Oh you mean the public servants who fly cheapest of the day, which for the most part seems to be every airline except Qantas. But yeah good dig.

 

[markis10]

Be interesting to see what happens trans Tasman, there are three options I see:

1. no change
2. Jetconnect pulled and EK operate on behalf of QF.
3. EK pull out for Jetconnect to continue.


Option 2 is interesting given it would allow QF to free significant frequency capacity back into the domestic market and help accelerate the 734 send off.

 

[serfty]

Oh you mean the public servants who fly cheapest of the day, which for the most part seems to be every airline except Qantas. But yeah good dig.

Not a dig ... I used "Highly Paid" in reference to those with significant input on decision making

Perhaps a better description would have been Senior Public Servants.

 

[drron]

To me it looks like all these news articles that are popping up all over the globe are based on rumour and innuendo directly from this thread. There is no real comment from any credible person that any of this is true.... There may very well be some disappointed folks come Thursday.....

Not at all.Tom Horton CEO AA has publicly stated he wants a Middle Eastern airline in OW and mentioned Emirates,Etihad and Qatar.
Willie Walsh of BA has told the world he is lobbying hard to get Qatar to join.
Also at the end of the month there is an airlines conference in Abu Dhabi.Word is that QF is a late addition to those attending.Just maybe might be some news then.

The 18th World Route Development Forum :: Routesonline

 

[Must...Fly!]

Be interesting to see what happens trans Tasman, there are three options I see:

1. no change
2. Jetconnect pulled and EK operate on behalf of QF.
3. EK pull out for Jetconnect to continue.


Option 2 is interesting given it would allow QF to free significant frequency capacity back into the domestic market and help accelerate the 734 send off.

Pondered this earlier in the thread, but I don't see it happening. Jetconnect hasn't been that bad historically has it?

Option 2, what about ZQN and WLG? Not to mention the frequency.
Option 3, this was what I thought most likely but there isn't much in the way of a premium cabin on jetconnect, and even more so no F.

This whole process could make it anywhere from a lot more difficult to completely impossible to redeem points for premium class travel.

I'm certainly less than pleased at the prospect of handing over a lot of points and receiving EK...

 

[oz_mark]

1. no change
2. Jetconnect pulled and EK operate on behalf of QF.
3. EK pull out for Jetconnect to continue.

Getting approval for a code share is one thing. Getting approval to enable scheduling coordination is quite another. Will have to wait and see what the depth of the agreement is.

 

[markis10]

Getting approval for a code share is one thing. Getting approval to enable scheduling coordination is quite another. Will have to wait and see what the depth of the agreement is.

I would not be surprised if there are no issues with said approval for trans tasman, given the competitive environment which is different to say the South African issue.

 

[Platinum A332]

I have posted countless times here and on flyertalk.....QF should expand their partnership with CX. But given the incompetence of QF, I am beyond typing out all of my reasoning again in AFF style.

What I worry about with an EK partnership are things such as lounge access that are clear, transparent and flexible when flying QF and oneworld partners are not so with EK. If Skywards is anything to go by, QFF Platinums will get Business Class lounge access with no guests, and Golds would get access to some rubbish "Marhaba" lounge if they are lucky. No access for QC members Combine this with angled flat beds on the 777, 3x4x3 in economy and the zoo of a transit hub known as Dubai and QF is dead to me for anything west of Perth.

 

[browski]

Not at all.Tom Horton CEO AA has publicly stated he wants a Middle Eastern airline in OW and mentioned Emirates,Etihad and Qatar.

From that comment, it appears Tom Horton has no idea of geography.

 

[anat0l]

From that comment, it appears Tom Horton has no idea of geography.

I for one would like to apologise to our RJ brethren?


FWIW there are many EK stalwarts on the relevant forum on FT who are categorically opposed to this deal, let alone EK joining any global alliance.

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[trippin_the_rift]

Looks to me like QF are realising EK is cutting their grass AU-AKL and the way to get them out is to tie up in another area.