Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[Berlin]

LMFAO reading that earlier today......sounds very much like sour grapes!

So Virgin now gets cranky because Qantas "dares" to apply for pretty much the same that they had for ages now? What a see-through argument only to protect their own turf...

 

[anat0l]

So Virgin now gets cranky because Qantas "dares" to apply for pretty much the same that they had for ages now? What a see-through argument only to protect their own turf...

It's interesting that one of Virgin's points is that Qantas already holds a good grip on the domestic and international market that this tie up would severely limit competition (or rather, impede Virgin's ability to have a chance at securing more of the market, especially the business market).

I find this hard to believe in a way. I thought Virgin's manifesto was to slowly but surely disrupt the Qantas iron grip on the market, turning into Australia's best (at least domestic) airline. Given that a number of us have also alluded to what little further gain Qantas has in the domestic arena given Emirates' wide splatter focus on Australian centres, why should Virgin be so apprehensive?

Not to mention that VA has a more extensive "model" than QF; the latter relying solely on EK for now, and the former having all of EY, NZ, VS and SQ. (Is it no surprise that NZ and SQ - alliance partners - have also lodged token submissions against interim approval?). More codeshares coming online and more scope certainly after VA move to Sabre for improvements - why is this new QF/EK alliance going to make the situation improbable?

I'm with you Berlin - this is either a token and/or predatory submission by VA. I'd like to think it isn't the latter; we certainly don't know VA as harbouring any ill intent (unlike QF).


Disclaimer: Yes, I should really read the submissions in full....

 

[timster]

I don't think that the following has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but apologies if it has: the submissions have started to flow in to the ACCC in relation to the QF/EK application, including from Singapore Airlines, Virgin Australia, Air New Zealand, Jumpjet Airlines, and the Department of Infrastructure and Transport: Qantas Airways Limited & Emirates - Authorisations - A91332 & A91333. I haven't perused the submissions yet, but the Virgin one (predicatbly) would appear to be objecting: Virgin warns on Qantas alliance with Emirates.

Some interesting reading there, including the argument that the extent of the purported losses by Qantas International (used to justfiy their case) may be significantly fictional.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Does anyone know which of the EK services out of Perth is the one they want to run an A380 on?

Fair bet it will be the late night 2230ish departure

Although 3rd daily flight starting soon!

 

[ausi ski bum]

So when can we expect this all to be confirmed, I want to know how many points it will be return from Sydney to Dubai

 

[Danger]

So when can we expect this all to be confirmed, I want to know how many points it will be return from Sydney to Dubai

Theoretically, that can be worked out just by looking at the distance between the two and comparing it to a similar route. QF award redemptions work in bands. SYD-DXB is just a couple of miles different to SYD-LAX so can expect redemptions at 48k/72k/96k/144k for Y/W/J/F one way.

 

[ajw373]

Theoretically, that can be worked out just by looking at the distance between the two and comparing it to a similar route. QF award redemptions work in bands. SYD-DXB is just a couple of miles different to SYD-LAX so can expect redemptions at 48k/72k/96k/144k for Y/W/J/F one way.

Or go to a great circle map site like this one:

Great Circle Mapper

Put in the route you are interested in (you can also do multiple sectors for example syd-dxb-lhr) and it will give you the miles. As you can see in the link above I've done that already and SYD-DXB is 7481 miles. From this you can work out your points and status credits quite easily.

 

[ausi ski bum]

Thanks thats very helpful and I never realised Sydney to Dubai was only 7 miles less than Sydney to Los Angeles, no wonder they want to fly that way, makes so much more sence than to Singapore.

 

[markis10]

Thanks thats very helpful and I never realised Sydney to Dubai was only 7 miles less than Sydney to Los Angeles, no wonder they want to fly that way, makes so much more sence than to Singapore.

Makes less cents (for the UK government) when it comes to the UK departure taxes as well:

Qantas was paying an APD of 92 pounds ($142) for economy class passengers and 184 pounds ($285) for premium economy, business and first-class passengers using the Singapore hub.
By hubbing through Dubai, the rate paid by Qantas passengers falls to 65 Pound Stirling and 130 Pound Stirling for economy and other passengers respectivel

Read more: Emirates pact will help stem Qantas losses

 

[serfty]

Makes less cents (for the UK government) when it comes to the UK departure taxes as well:

But ONLY if the passenger stops in DXB for more than 24 hours on the way through to Oz.

And the saving is only around $22 / $64 in any case as there's a AED75 (~AUD20) ''United Arab Emirates Passenger Service Charge" payable for departures, including transits of the UAE.

 

[dajop]

But ONLY if the passenger stops in DXB for more than 24 hours on the way through to Oz.

And the saving is only around $22 / $64 in any case as there's a AED75 (~AUD20) ''United Arab Emirates Passenger Service Charge" payable for departures, including transits of the UAE.

Exactly!

How many times to we have to go through this? It's one of the big myths about this whole deal, that seems to be repeated again and again, it makes no difference if you are not doing a stopover and even if you are in the grand scheme of things (ie cost of flying to and spending time in Europe) very little difference.

 

[markis10]

Exactly!

How many times to we have to go through this? It's one of the big myths about this whole deal, that seems to be repeated again and again, it makes no difference if you are not doing a stopover and even if you are in the grand scheme of things (ie cost of flying to and spending time in Europe) very little difference.

Probably explains why the author of the article is a former QF chief economist!

 

[markis10]

And the saving is only around $22 / $64 in any case as there's a AED75 (~AUD20) ''United Arab Emirates Passenger Service Charge" payable for departures, including transits of the UAE.

Of course the move does also save the $12 transit charge for Changi!

 

[oz_mark]

Probably explains why the author of the article is a former QF chief economist!

In the context of the quoted article, the author does state that it only applies to stopovers of 24 hours or more, two paragraphs before the quote.

 

[markis10]

In the context of the quoted article, the author does state that it only applies to stopovers of 24 hours or more, two paragraphs before the quote.

It's obviously a significant proportion of travellers that do stop currently, hence why he pointed out the saving, they do look at the cents

 

[Pushka]

Further to a post suggesting that I contact smarttraveller.gov.au regarding their advice to tourists during Ramadan, they have contacted me today and state they are contacting the Australian Embassy in Abu Dhabi to clarify any requirements of tourists during this time.

 

[drross]

Further to a post suggesting that I contact smarttraveller.gov.au regarding their advice to tourists during Ramadan, they have contacted me today and state they are contacting the Australian Embassy in Abu Dhabi to clarify any requirements of tourists during this time.

Eagerly await the 'official' reply

 

[George67]

I'm a little confused about this deal... does anyone know whether the fleet utilization of the respective airlines will increase or decrease? Also, does this mean that they will be responsible for each-other's quality or safety (or both or none)? Does anyone know? Thanks.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm a little confused about this deal... does anyone know whether the fleet utilization of the respective airlines will increase or decrease? Also, does this mean that they will be responsible for each-other's quality or safety (or both or none)? Does anyone know? Thanks.

Isn't this a bit like one world / code share? So usual safety issues addressed ?


It is I, Leclerc !

 

[markis10]

I'm a little confused about this deal... does anyone know whether the fleet utilization of the respective airlines will increase or decrease? Also, does this mean that they will be responsible for each-other's quality or safety (or both or none)? Does anyone know? Thanks.

Welcome to AFF, it's just a partnership where each sells seats on the services of the other airline and offers a similar customer experience (with the exception of PE which EK don't have), fleet use and safety issues will very much remain in the realm of the operating airline and country under which its aircraft are registered.