Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[cmon0005]

How come they're selling award seats directly to Dubai then?

 

[pyffii]

Due to fly QF 9 as part of a DONE in June so called Qantas premium desk yesterday and now rerouted to LHR on QF 29 and CX 251...very pleasant and easy to change...Well done Qantas

 

[ajw373]

How come they're selling award seats directly to Dubai then?

No idea. The document linked below, points 13 and 14 makes it clear that Dubai is for a transit stop to/from London at this time.

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/policies/NetworkChangeFAQs041012.pdf

 

[cmon0005]

No idea. The document linked below, points 13 and 14 makes it clear that Dubai is for a transit stop to/from London at this time.

Maybe its a mistake? Here is a screenshot

 

[cmon0005]

Found something interesting! Was just browsing the QF site and when you click on the dropdown for a list of cities, there are a whole bunch of cities that weren't there before. (Including some strange ones like Baghdad)

For example Sydney - Cairo (Egypt) I then put a date in June 2013 and shows this routing SYD-DXB on QF and DXB-Cairo on EK.
So they have started selling EK codeshares but still we have no clarity on Status credits on EK Operated flights, lounges and who exactly eligible.etc. I won't be booking just yet til they provide more info.

 

[The Rok]

Have you tried to book am actual flight though? My guess is it would just come up with No flights found for they date, no matter what date you try.

 

[cmon0005]

Have you tried to book am actual flight though? My guess is it would just come up with No flights found for they date, no matter what date you try.

Check my screenshot, I can get to the payment page, so yes.

 

[The Rok]

I just tried to search Perth flights and nothing loaded. Bugger.

 

[Timba-Jet]

For example Sydney - Cairo (Egypt) I then put a date in June 2013 and shows this routing SYD-DXB on QF and DXB-Cairo on EK.
So they have started selling EK codeshares but still we have no clarity on Status credits on EK Operated flights, lounges and who exactly eligible.etc. I won't be booking just yet til they provide more info.

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Interesting find. Though it's not a codeshare as such, as the DXB-CAI leg is an EK flight number. Rather this is interline ticketing (more savy AFFers correct me if I'm wrong).

QF sell interline fares on its website with LH out FRA, UA in the states etc

 

[wingspan]

The QF website now also allows bookings to Amman on QF1 or QF9 to Dubai connecting there with RJ flights to Amman. That's looking much more convenient than before!

 

[TheInsider]

QF sell interline fares on its website with LH out FRA, UA in the states etc

Off the top of my head i've seen the following on the QF website; AC, UA, SQ, EK, NZ and quite a few more, can't think of any at the moment.

 

[geordieladinoz]

Off the top of my head i've seen the following on the QF website; AC, UA, SQ, EK, NZ and quite a few more, can't think of any at the moment.

Unfortunately for me I have also seen Rex (ZL) flights on my bookings far too many times for my liking. My high flying life is unfortunately restricted to regional SA and NSW! And seemingly everywhere QantasLink does not fly!

 

[cmon0005]

Interesting caveat has appeared in the Fare Terms + conditions when searching for a combined QF/EK flight. eg. MEL-DXB-DOH

No mention of SC earn on EK flight, just other 'benefits'...

 

[tm.smile]

Wonder how QR's entrance into oneWorld will affect QF/EK if at all...

 

[eastwest101]

Interesting caveat has appeared in the Fare Terms + conditions when searching for a combined QF/EK flight. eg. MEL-DXB-DOH

No mention of SC earn on EK flight, just other 'benefits'...

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OK - so is it possible for the regulator to allow the flights to occur but not allow QF and EK to give their frequent flyers SC and points in their respective loyalty schemes? Surely no regulator in its right mind would ever make such a stipulation or expect it not to be challenged.

I think its just a caveat to allow for any silly and very very very unlikely unforseen regulatory events.....

 

[Fruitcake]

OK - so is it possible for the regulator to allow the flights to occur but not allow QF and EK to give their frequent flyers SC and points in their respective loyalty schemes? Surely no regulator in its right mind would ever make such a stipulation or expect it not to be challenged.

I think its just a caveat to allow for any silly and very very very unlikely unforseen regulatory events.....

It's certainly possible for a regulator to do this. The ACCC and its NZ counterpart put restrictions on the NZ/DJ alliance - Velocity members can't earn points or SCs on NZ flights to the Pacific Islands. Additionally, Airpoints can't be earned on DJ flights to/from the pacific islands.

However, I do not think there are any regions where EK and QF could be reasonably said to be the dominant players to the extent that DJ and NZ are in the Pacific. Although it is possible to argue that EK/QF alliance would mostly reduce trans-tasman flying to a duopoly, which the authorities might not like - I'm fairly sure EK's presence trans-tasman was one of the supporting arguments for DJ/NZ being allowed to get together.

 

[markis10]

However, I do not think there are any regions where EK and QF could be reasonably said to be the dominant players to the extent that DJ and NZ are in the Pacific.

Australia to the Middle East comes to mind

 

[Fruitcake]

Australia to the Middle East comes to mind

EY doesn't have as many flights to Australia as EK, but they do pretty well. I imagine that would keep the ACCC happy. Especially when EY has a strong domestic partner too (and of course VA is on the route themselves in a limited way). Qatar is also here as well (a little bit).

 

[markis10]

EY doesn't have as many flights to Australia as EK, but they do pretty well. I imagine that would keep the ACCC happy. Especially when EY has a strong domestic partner too (and of course VA is on the route themselves in a limited way). Qatar is also here as well (a little bit).

Qatar will have as many flights as EY soon, which when coupled with the QF/EK partnership means they are very much dominant by comparison.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

The lack of ability to fly QF to DXB seems to be a big hole in this arrangement. If you want to fly to DXB, you have to book an EK ticket and therefore earn no SCs or points, or stopover on an LHR ticket which isn't practical.

While it might kill QFi, I personally think this should not be approved by the ACCC, as QF and EK are clearly competitors and it is not a level playing field.