Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[Speedbird001]

Devolution occurred 1998 but that is not relevant. The HMRC policy is, which provides for a different arrangement for NI.

See 2.1.2 Reduced rate Northern Ireland

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...pertyType=document&id=HMCE_CL_000505#P27_1984

So what date did the devolution occur?

From Nov 1, 2011, the only rates payable for journeys commencing from Northern Ireland were 'Band A' - currently £13 or £26; in the interim between the devolution an a new regime in reation to taxes like as the APD, such was to be administered on behalf of the Northern Ireland Assembly by HM Revenue & Customs.

 

[browski]

By 2014, Qatar airways would also be One World, so that would be another Status Credit Option.

 

[Flying mermaid]

By 2014, Qatar airways would also be One World, so that would be another Status Credit Option.

Ok that's interesting - thank-you!

 

[Berlin]

I've been dipping in and out of this thread trying to work out what the new tie up means (if it eventuates), However at 152 pages, it is a bit too long to read in detail,

I think this is a sentiment you share with lots of other members on here- I surely have the same problem with this thread. I think quite a bit of the final details is simply not known yet but would think there should be more news soonish.

 

[BindiBratz]

Does anyone have any idea when there is likely to be anything further announced re the tie-up..??? or is that like asking how long is a piece of string

 

[JohnPhelan]

I am planning a trip in 2014 - Sydney to Tanzania to South Africa and return. Obviously I want to maximise status credits where possible - we'll be flying F or J where F isn't available. No Dar es Salaam appears in the drop down list for Qantas. So I am thinking we would probably have to do something like Syd - Dubai - Qantas or Qantas codeshare. Dubai - dar es salaam EK metal and probably no codeshare? Dar es salaam to South Africa with South Africa airways. Comair in South africa (booking via BA) and then return.

We would get status credits on the leg to Dubai and on the domestic Comair flights, but otherwise not - is that right?

Would we get points on the flight Dubai to Dar es salaam?

I suppose I could fly to South Africa first and then Tanzania return, but I quite fancy flying F to Dubai and Qantas only does J now to South Africa.

Any comments gratefully received

OK, this is my understanding, from what's been announced. No doubt someone will tell us if I've got this wrong.

To get both points and status credits, you will need to travel on QF (and, for South Africa, BA) flight numbers.

You will get points and status credits on the QF and BA (Comair) flights.

For Dubai to Tanzania and return, you will be on EK metal. If you book on the EK flight numbers, you will get points only. If you book on the QF codeshare number, you will get points and status credits. So, obviously, you would want to book the QF codeshare numbers.

So, the issue is: will those flights have QF codeshare flight numbers? QF has said something to the effect of most EK flights from DXB to places other than Asia (and America?) will have QF codeshares. So I would think it likely that your flights will have QF numbers, which will give you both points and status credits.

We'll just have to wait for a while to see exactly how that all happens in practice. Given that the new system is due to come into operation in April, hopefully the whole picture will be clarified in detail fairly soon.

 

[medhead]

Just wanted to share the following advice I've had from the qantas facebook team. Mum is looking to get flights BNE-BCN next September. Currently Qantas is still offering flights via DXB and LHR. Not exactly acceptable. EK is obviously a much better proposition. Anyway, I asked Qantas when the codeshares for DXB-BCN would be released. They said they weren't sure, but book via LHR for now and when released they'll contact passengers to look at the options.

I'm not really sure about that bit of advice. I'll accept it on face value, but I can see problems actually getting changed to a direct codeshare in the long run.

 

[markis10]

Interesting the QF have tweaked their PER/ADL to NZ fares this morning.

 

[Flying mermaid]

OK, this is my understanding, from what's been announced. No doubt someone will tell us if I've got this wrong.

To get both points and status credits, you will need to travel on QF (and, for South Africa, BA) flight numbers.

You will get points and status credits on the QF and BA (Comair) flights.

For Dubai to Tanzania and return, you will be on EK metal. If you book on the EK flight numbers, you will get points only. If you book on the QF codeshare number, you will get points and status credits. So, obviously, you would want to book the QF codeshare numbers.

So, the issue is: will those flights have QF codeshare flight numbers? QF has said something to the effect of most EK flights from DXB to places other than Asia (and America?) will have QF codeshares. So I would think it likely that your flights will have QF numbers, which will give you both points and status credits.

We'll just have to wait for a while to see exactly how that all happens in practice. Given that the new system is due to come into operation in April, hopefully the whole picture will be clarified in detail fairly soon.

Thanks that is very clear - fortunately I have plenty of time to wait for the code shares to be sorted out.

 

[Pushka]

Interesting the QF have tweaked their PER/ADL to NZ fares this morning.

We've been monitoring that trip for a Feb booking. In what way did they tweak?

 

[markis10]

We've been monitoring that trip for a Feb booking. In what way did they tweak?

Effective immediately, fare basis C2T and CITT1 from Perth to AKL/CHC/WLG/ZQN have been updated to Australia to New Zealand OW/RT Business Class Fares (D2T/ C2T/ J2T/ DITT1/ CITT1).

I read ADL as well but its only PER.

 

[oz_mark]

Interesting the QF have tweaked their PER/ADL to NZ fares this morning.

Qantas have been tweaking fares constantly for ages. Not sure you can read much into a change like that.

 

[markis10]

Qantas have been tweaking fares constantly for ages. Not sure you can read much into a change like that.

Have not seen a PER-NZ tweak specifically for a long time, plenty of AUS-NZ but not just ex PER.

 

[MarcB]

Assume this is related to the change of hub/EK deal - have just noticed in expertflyer that from 1 April, there is "0" in all PE classes (WRTZ) ex-BNE on QF 51 and vv. on QF52. A check of QF commercial bookings site reveals it's still bookable - but only as a FLEX at a higher price even though sale fares are available via SYD or MEL. There is no availability of classic award seats from 1 April in PE, despite, historically, them being quite easy to snag on this route and despite the fact that there are plenty available until March 31.

Is this the end of PE on the route? Has this been flagged before? Seat maps are still showing new config 747 with PE - but perhaps not for long?

 

[markis10]

Assume this is related to the change of hub/EK deal - have just noticed in expertflyer that from 1 April, there is "0" in all PE classes (WRTZ) ex-BNE on QF 51 and vv. on QF52. A check of QF commercial bookings site reveals it's still bookable - but only as a FLEX at a higher price even though sale fares are available via SYD or MEL. There is no availability of classic award seats from 1 April in PE, despite, historically, them being quite easy to snag on this route and despite the fact that there are plenty available until March 31.

Is this the end of PE on the route? Has this been flagged before? Seat maps are still showing new config 747 with PE - but perhaps not for long?

Possibility 1 - going back to an A330
Possibility 2 - going to be an EK service only with QF codeshare.

There was a post on PPrune saying the MNL and DPS would also go as part of the BNE SIn change as would MEL-SIN - all to EK, I really think that is over the top but who knows!

 

[MarcB]

Possibility 1 - going back to an A330
Possibility 2 - going to be an EK service only with QF codeshare.

There was a post on PPrune saying the MNL and DPS would also go as part of the BNE SIn change as would MEL-SIN - all to EK, I really think that is over the top but who knows!

Fairly dissapointing if PE is removed altogether from this route - I don't mind going via SYD or MEL, but in PE, that sees you in Y for the domestic leg which is a less than ideal way to start the trip.

 

[ajw373]

There was a post on PPrune saying the MNL and DPS would also go as part of the BNE SIn change as would MEL-SIN - all to EK, I really think that is over the top but who knows!

Handing MNL and DPS to EK makes no sense. Where do they reckon EK are going to get the a/c and crew to operate what would effectively be an add on route (and yes I know they have shed loads of new a/c on order), when it makes much more sense for those routes to operate out of Australia by Qantas. Same to goes for Singapore routes especially from MEL or SYD, Qantas won't be handing them to EK anytime soon.

If anything the change above to BNE to me is signalling a change in a/c to an A330, though clearly Qantas don't have an abundance of these (in International config) lying around either.

 

[markis10]

Handing MNL and DPS to EK makes no sense. Where do they reckon EK are going to get the a/c and crew to operate what would effectively be an add on route (and yes I know they have shed loads of new a/c on order), when it makes much more sense for those routes to operate out of Australia by Qantas. Same to goes for Singapore routes especially from MEL or SYD, Qantas won't be handing them to EK anytime soon.

If anything the change above to BNE to me is signalling a change in a/c to an A330, though clearly Qantas don't have an abundance of these (in International config) lying around either.

I agree MNL and DPS don't make sense (unless OZ becomes a continuation of service like AKL is), BKK was also being mentioned as being culled, while both BNE and MEL have EK flights already to SIN, so the transition might be easier, and from memory one of the ACCC conditions was no capacity cuts, so how things turn out will be interesting.

 

[The Rok]

EK have an abundance of aircraft on order but that alone is not sufficient to meet their existing expansion plans.

Emirates have already stated that they believe they will need an additional 30 A380 for their expansion into LAS, SFO & DFW and other US ports.

 

[simongr]

One has to wonder whether towards the end of the alliance as EK just grows too big to care about QF (or even just subsumes them) whether there might be an opportunity to migrate members to EK equivalent status - might actually be a very long game being a QF LTG...