Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

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Who wants to go to LHR via HEL? What would be the point when BA fly direct?

This is because BA have thrown their proverbial toys from the cot over the EK arrangement, IMO, to their own detriment, as many of us would happily book a QF ticket via Asia connecting to a BA code share. (But would prefer a CX one ;) )

It's got nothing to do with BA at all, Qantas have had a long standing agreement with AY that many here have taken advantage of in regards the cheap J routines to LHR via HEL etc, Qantas are just falling back on that codeshare agreement.
 
It's got nothing to do with BA at all, Qantas have had a long standing agreement with AY that many here have taken advantage of in regards the cheap J routines to LHR via HEL etc, Qantas are just falling back on that codeshare agreement.

Not to mention immigration at HEL that barely takes minutes (if that long) as well unlike the clusterf**k that is LHR.

After doing a AA DFW-LHR flight a few years back and ended up being in line in the middle of a bunch of Libyans on an 8U flight that landed at the same time for close to two hours, I swore never to do international inbound LHR again!
 
It's got nothing to do with BA at all, Qantas have had a long standing agreement with AY that many here have taken advantage of in regards the cheap J routines to LHR via HEL etc, Qantas are just falling back on that codeshare agreement.

Nothing to do with BA? You mean the codeshares just vanished for no reason? SIN-LHR, HKG-LHR, BKK-LHR... Where are we on those routes? Rooted I'd suggest. Now people who would have bought a QF ticket will now patronise another airline directly. How is that good for QF?

CX now my most compelling option, BA secondary (and may go up in the stakes with the imminent A380 arrivals).

AY isn't even a flat bed J product. There's no way I'm doing skyslopes again long haul.

And as for EK, ask my good friend whose A/C went tech, emergency landed in Chennai, crew deserted aircraft and left pax to fend for themselves, place passports in rubbish bags and get on a truck to a 3* hotel. Personally I judge an airline on how they react when things go wrong, not gold lined seats onboard.
 
Yes you probably need to say more. Do you have a point?

Wow, you totally changed your original reply. ;)

If I understand correctly, Qantas ideally wants Oz-EU passengers to go via Dubai - Qantas to Dubai, Emirates to Europe. And yet Emirates doesn't have a Premium Economy cabin. So it'll be interesting to see how this pans out when all the PE passengers get 'downgraded' for the second part of their journey if not already aware of this scenario. And for those who are aware of this situation, bye bye Qantas/Emirates sales on this route.
 
Wow, you totally changed your original reply. ;)

If I understand correctly, Qantas ideally wants Oz-EU passengers to go via Dubai - Qantas to Dubai, Emirates to Europe. And yet Emirates doesn't have a Premium Economy cabin. So it'll be interesting to see how this pans out when all the PE passengers get 'downgraded' for the second part of their journey if not already aware of this scenario. And for those who are aware of this situation, bye bye Qantas/Emirates sales on this route.

I fail to see how PE pax are much worse off; (other than destination FRA.)

Pre-Emirates.
Fly PE on Qantas from Oz-SIN-LHR and backtrack BA in PE to your EU destination

Post Emitrates
Fly PE on Qantas from Oz-DXB-LHR and backtrack BA in PE to your EU destination
 
Wow, you totally changed your original reply. ;)

If I understand correctly, Qantas ideally wants Oz-EU passengers to go via Dubai - Qantas to Dubai, Emirates to Europe. And yet Emirates doesn't have a Premium Economy cabin. So it'll be interesting to see how this pans out when all the PE passengers get 'downgraded' for the second part of their journey if not already aware of this scenario. And for those who are aware of this situation, bye bye Qantas/Emirates sales on this route.

There will still be PE to LHR!
 
I fail to see how PE pax are much worse off; (other than destination FRA.)

Pre-Emirates.
Fly PE on Qantas from Oz-SIN-LHR and backtrack BA in PE to your EU destination

Post Emitrates
Fly PE on Qantas from Oz-DXB-LHR and backtrack BA in PE to your EU destination


ther eis a big difference between 1-2 hours in the zoo in daylight and and an overnight flight between 4 and 7 hours in std economy
 
ther eis a big difference between 1-2 hours in the zoo in daylight and and an overnight flight between 4 and 7 hours in std economy

Katie, I don't understand this; what does it mean?

Oz-DXB-LHR-EU flights are fully in PE
 
It's got nothing to do with BA at all, Qantas have had a long standing agreement with AY that many here have taken advantage of in regards the cheap J routines to LHR via HEL etc, Qantas are just falling back on that codeshare agreement.


there is a reason that the QF/AY codeshares are cheap: the (poor) quality of AY J. No flatbeds, no amenity kit (a few poor quality moisterisers if you know to ask for them), food and wine not as good. And this on the longer sector
 
Katie, I don't understand this; what does it mean?

Oz-DXB-LHR-EU flights are fully in PE


flying via LHR meand PE for all but 1-2 hours. Chaging to EK in DBX means a much longer flight in Y (the zoo) and many are overnight
 
flying via LHR meand PE for all but 1-2 hours. Chaging to EK in DBX means a much longer flight in Y (the zoo) and many are overnight

........but that's exactly how it is now...........so how are you worse off. You are not better off, but you are not worse off. You can still do that same thing. Fly Oz-DXB-London and then backtrack. Qantas still fly to London.
 
flying via LHR meand PE for all but 1-2 hours. Chaging to EK in DBX means a much longer flight in Y (the zoo) and many are overnight

But you avoid transferring at LHR and not having to backtrack. Surely that is a positive in itself?
 
You all mention "back tracking" and while I understand the psychology, it doesn't make a material impact to flight times when you consider EK connections are between 4 and 12 hours layover in DXB, and with BA you could connect in 2 hours to a 1-3 hour flight into the continent.

Also, perhaps because I'm usually at the pointy or semi-pointy end, I have no issue transferring in LHR. So here's to all the LHR haters! Some of us even stop there for fun! And the T5 F lounge isn't so bad, while not a patch on QF SYD/MEL F.
 
Re Backtracking. Maybe it's just psychological that people don't want to fly back to a country in order to go forwards. Surely time spent in lounges is better than time spent in the air?
 
But you avoid transferring at LHR and not having to backtrack. Surely that is a positive in itself?

It would seem that katiebell is prepared to go all the way to LHR in PE because at least it means the majority of the journey is in PE.

The point that katiebell and others do make is that there is still at least 4-7 hours in EK Y to be had on a PE ticket, and because of the timing of such flights, many will likely be red eyes.

I personally don't see a problem because it isn't transiting LHR, which saves time in the end (rather spend time at destination recovering from a red eye than having to do it after going through LHR). I just hope that the PE prices aren't ridiculous as a result; keeping in mind that QF will be competing against a small but delicate market on this (e.g. any airline with PE, even with onward Y connection, e.g. VA/EY, VS, BA; or airlines with bona fide PE the whole way, e.g. TG, CX).

ComeFlyWithMe said:
You all mention "back tracking" and while I understand the psychology, it doesn't make a material impact to flight times when you consider EK connections are between 4 and 12 hours layover in DXB, and with BA you could connect in 2 hours to a 1-3 hour flight into the continent.

Also, perhaps because I'm usually at the pointy or semi-pointy end, I have no issue transferring in LHR. So here's to all the LHR haters! Some of us even stop there for fun! And the T5 F lounge isn't so bad, while not a patch on QF SYD/MEL F.

I have to say that transferring at LHR within 2 hours is rather risky in itself! In a sane situation I'd probably allow 3 hours. One big reason why I don't like to necessarily transit via LHR is that the transfer procedure and the new security check lines at the key transfer time in the morning can be a nightmare. I'm lucky that oneworld Emerald sometimes gets pulled into the Fast Track line (ditto for security screening) - without that, I may not make my connection (or scrape it with no lounge time).

If that's your idea with fun, well.... whatever floats your boat, I guess.

I'm rarely at the pointy end either, but on paper I'd still prefer the new options going via DXB. Even with longer transfer times (notwithstanding that if the connection is greater than 8 hours in Y or PE with no earlier available, then the Dubai Connect option kicks in = chance for a decent bed at least for a few hours), at least that transfer itself requires not much movement (rather than traversing the long hallways of LHR and then standing in line to have a BP checked). Biggest thing for me at LHR is that most of my transit time involves having to move quickly around places, stand in line and pass security checks. That is why I'd usually pad out my transit at LHR to allow for traffic and lounge time.

Maybe I'll miss the extra points (though with BA it's 0.25 points per mile on shorthaul Y anyway), that's about it. Besides, on the way back, I think the advantage is more pronounced.
 
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Re Backtracking. Maybe it's just psychological that people don't want to fly back to a country in order to go forwards. Surely time spent in lounges is better than time spent in the air?

Not when you consider the point/SC earn :-P
 
Not to mention immigration at HEL that barely takes minutes (if that long) as well unlike the clusterf**k that is LHR.

After doing a AA DFW-LHR flight a few years back and ended up being in line in the middle of a bunch of Libyans on an 8U flight that landed at the same time for close to two hours, I swore never to do international inbound LHR again!

two hours in immigration at Heathrow? Luxury :)
 
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Re Backtracking. Maybe it's just psychological that people don't want to fly back to a country in order to go forwards. Surely time spent in lounges is better than time spent in the air?

Some of us don't have lounge access :p I'm happy to avoid backtracking; it's one less connection and less chance of a missed connection.
 
Not to mention immigration at HEL that barely takes minutes (if that long) as well unlike the clusterf**k that is LHR.

After doing a AA DFW-LHR flight a few years back and ended up being in line in the middle of a bunch of Libyans on an 8U flight that landed at the same time for close to two hours, I swore never to do international inbound LHR again!

On a BKK-LHR flight immigration differences between HEL and LHR are totally irrelevant. You would not see Finish immigration in HEL as you would be in transit and of course you would still need to clear immigration at LHR. Now if the UK joined the Schengen Area (note they are members of the Schengen agreement, just not the common immigration area), then yes it would make a difference. But that ain't happening anytime soon.
 
It would seem that katiebell is prepared to go all the way to LHR in PE because at least it means the majority of the journey is in PE.
I just hope that the PE prices aren't ridiculous as a result; keeping in mind that QF will be competing against a small but delicate market on this (e.g. any airline with PE, even with onward Y connection, e.g. VA/EY, VS, BA; or airlines with bona fide PE the whole way, e.g. TG, CX).

Keep on hoping ;)
The basket case that is QF.com continues to show up options like this
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With a nasty sting in the tail
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Actually make that two major faux-pas in one page as there now appears to be a novelty JQ domestic connection to QF9 :eek:

Whilst overall I think the EK alliance will be a good thing for the long haul traveller, unless QF invests in a radical overhaul of the website and removes these ridiculous flight options I think they have little chance of attracting the growing market of DIY travellers.
 
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