Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[anat0l]

Keep on hoping
The basket case that is QF.com continues to show up options like this
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With a nasty sting in the tail
...

Actually make that two major faux-pas in one page as there now appears to be a novelty JQ domestic connection to QF9

Whilst overall I think the EK alliance will be a good thing for the long haul traveller, unless QF invests in a radical overhaul of the website and removes these ridiculous flight options I think they have little chance of attracting the growing market of DIY travellers.

How much for the QF1-all-the-way option? That's totally PE.

Also, what's the price on the competition? Not ideal, but if the competition is the same, we all know, "what's the point".


QF definitely have some cleaning up of their website to do. Same thing like those rogue awards we've come to know as chestnuts. Like VA moving to Sabre, there will be a lot of clean up to do when the EK alliance goes into full bloom (except given QF's experience and the alliance rather than a GDS change is trivial, we're expecting bugs to be fixed much quicker).

 

[Princess Fiona]

How much for the QF1-all-the-way option? That's totally PE.

Also, what's the price on the competition? Not ideal, but if the competition is the same, we all know, "what's the point".


QF definitely have some cleaning up of their website to do. Same thing like those rogue awards we've come to know as chestnuts. Like VA moving to Sabre, there will be a lot of clean up to do when the EK alliance goes into full bloom (except given QF's experience and the alliance rather than a GDS change is trivial, we're expecting bugs to be fixed much quicker).

The price on QF1 is the same as the EK codeshares with Y on the overnight DXB-LHR.
Why on earth would QF offer a passenger booking full fare PE a domestic connection on JQ SYD-MEL??? The mind boggles :shock:
BTW this was the ONLY domestic connection offered to QF9 on the dates I searched in July ( classic awards are available on every single QF mainline SYD-MEL flight on the same day).

 

[geordieladinoz]

BTW this was the ONLY domestic connection offered to QF9 on the dates I searched in July ( classic awards are available on every single QF mainline SYD-MEL flight on the same day).

I did quite a lot of searching in mid June and there were several QF connections from SYD-MEL offered the last being the 1200 ex SYD so just a case of searching a bit. Strange nonetheless.

For my search, I decided SYD-MEL-DXB-MAN with return NCL-DXB-SYD, $400 cheaper going to MAN than NCL. Unfortunately this is a cheap trip for me, comforted only by what will be my first ever flight as a WP! Hello SYD and MEL FLounges!

 

[Pushka]

Keep on hoping
The basket case that is QF.com continues to show up options like this
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With a nasty sting in the tail
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And look, you need to hurry to get that "bargain" economy seat.

 

[eastwest101]

Keep on hoping
The basket case that is QF.com continues to show up options like this
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With a nasty sting in the tail
View attachment 13358

Actually make that two major faux-pas in one page as there now appears to be a novelty JQ domestic connection to QF9

Whilst overall I think the EK alliance will be a good thing for the long haul traveller, unless QF invests in a radical overhaul of the website and removes these ridiculous flight options I think they have little chance of attracting the growing market of DIY travellers.

So if I understand that screen capture correctly - is that $3804 for a one way flight PE seat SYD-DBX on QF1 followed by a little wait and then an Y seat DXB-LHR on QF8011 (presumably an Y class 3-4-3 B777 service) followed by LHR customs ?

Are they for real?

 

[ajw373]

Whilst certainly not good, it is not like this is a new issue.

 

[MarcB]

I'm getting Y sectors from DXB to SYD/MEL on QF for J class searches ex-FRA. It's been happening for weeks.

I'm also getting Y sectors on QF107 and QF108 LAX-JFK vv. for Y+ fares ex-JFK to BNE - and that route has nothing to do with the alliance! Same flights on Expedia.com book into Y+ cabin on all sectors. Something is well and truly amiss!

 

[eastwest101]

Whilst certainly not good, it is not like this is a new issue.

Err - Houston - we have a problem.

I can see wide availability for PE fares flying CX SYD-HKG-LHR return for $3508 in May/June/July (not sure about the point earn on CX)

But would you pay $3804 for a one way PE fare SYD-DBX-LHR on QF and then get an Y seat on EK from DXB-LHR
or instead would you pay $3508 for a return PE fare SYD-HKG-LHR on CX and actually get PE seating all the way there and back?

Am I missing something?

 

[alieninperth]

If you were flying PE from SYD to LHR via DXB, why would you swap to an EK flight?. I just did a search on the QF website and first (and cheapest) flights where on QF the whole way through. over $6,500 for the flights is a seperate issue.

 

[ajw373]

Err - Houston - we have a problem.

I can see wide availability for PE fares flying CX SYD-HKG-LHR return for $3508 in May/June/July (not sure about the point earn on CX)

But would you pay $3804 for a one way PE fare SYD-DBX-LHR on QF and then get an Y seat on EK from DXB-LHR
or instead would you pay $3508 for a return PE fare SYD-HKG-LHR on CX and actually get PE seating all the way there and back?

Am I missing something?

What is the issue, the fare or the fact it can book you into Y but you pay PE. If booking into Y all I said is it wasn't anything new, which it isn't. No saying I agree or it isn't a problem, just not a new problem specifically associated with the EK tie up.

 

[eastwest101]

What is the issue, the fare or the fact it can book you into Y but you pay PE. If booking into Y all I said is it wasn't anything new, which it isn't. No saying I agree or it isn't a problem, just not a new problem specifically associated with the EK tie up.

Oh I get what you were saying now - and no it is not new - I agree - the screen shot had the disclaimer in it about the EK leg being in Y - which most people here would be well aware of.

But you surely would agree that overall - it is a problem that the QF Y+ fare in the screen shot provided from qantas.com was completely out of step with the price and the product of at least one of QFs competitors.

 

[serfty]

Oh I get what you were saying now - and no it is not new - I agree - the screen shot had the disclaimer in it about the EK leg being in Y - which most people here would be well aware of.

But you surely would agree that overall - it is a problem that the QF Y+ fare in the screen shot provided from qantas.com was completely out of step with the price and the product of at least one of QFs competitors.

What is the issue, the fare or the fact it can book you into Y but you pay PE. If booking into Y all I said is it wasn't anything new, which it isn't. No saying I agree or it isn't a problem, just not a new problem specifically associated with the EK tie up.

What's worse is the EK segments book into a "Discount Economy" fare bucket (B), not "Full Economy" (Y) as you would expect.



On a return, that's gunna cost the punter 50 SC's they may have expected.

 

[legroom]

.... provided from qantas.com was completely out of step with the price and the product of at least one of QFs competitors.

Hear !

Hear !

Hear !

Either QF has to change - and change quickly,

Or it will soon run out of paying customers - SCs or not.

The quotes we have seen are nothing but bordering on "Do Not Fly Here" flashing signs.

 

[BindiBratz]

I suspect they do not want us to book flights, not until final approval is granted. Too many hassles accommodating flyers if it doesn't go ahead..??? an easy way to prevent us booking for the next few weeks is to post those ridiculous prices. But by providing the schedules, it shows what will be on offer and at least gives us something to talk about on the forum

Or am I just endeavouring to be a positive thinker while I try to be patient..???

 

[EmilyHoward]

I suspect they do not want us to book flights, not until final approval is granted. Too many hassles accommodating flyers if it doesn't go ahead..??? an easy way to prevent us booking for the next few weeks is to post those ridiculous prices. But by providing the schedules, it shows what will be on offer and at least gives us something to talk about on the forum

Or am I just endeavouring to be a positive thinker while I try to be patient..???

That is an interesting take on it which I had never even thought of.

EH

 

[ajw373]

It seems the higher cost is just in the premium cabins. I am hopefully today or tomorrow going to book an economy flight CBR-LHR (via MEL) LGW-BKK (via DXB)-CBR (via SYD) for a under $1800 (provided the fare is still valid when the missus makes up her mind on exact dates). All QF flight numbers, but clearly EK metal LGW-DXB-BKK. Would have prefered direct LHR-BKK on BA, but not for a total cost of $13k each, even LHR-DXB-BKK is $500 more.

 

[legroom]

I suspect they do not want us to book flights, not until final approval is granted...

While I secretly hope your positive spin is correct, it does not make much business sense to drive business away like QF is apparently doing - at least with respect to the EK partnership.

Not for 6 weeks, until 31 Mar !

That's a lot of paying customers to alienate.

If I were paying out of my own pocket, I would be looking elsewhere smartly (SQ, CX, BA...) and forget about SCs.

It's good to have a free market but I feel somewhat sad for QF, "our" once iconic airline.

 

[legroom]

It seems the higher cost is just in the premium cabins. I am hopefully today or tomorrow going to book an economy flight CBR-LHR (via MEL) LGW-BKK (via DXB)-CBR (via SYD) for a under $1800 (provided the fare is still valid when the missus makes up her mind on exact dates). All QF flight numbers, but clearly EK metal LGW-DXB-BKK. Would have prefered direct LHR-BKK on BA, but not for a total cost of $13k each, even LHR-DXB-BKK is $500 more.

SYD-AMS in Y return - QF numbered EK metal

QF costs $400 (and 96,000 points) more as a ASA [or $1,100 as non-ASA] booking compared to the same EK flights.

You are the judge !

 

[BindiBratz]

While I secretly hope your positive spin is correct, it does not make much business sense to drive business away like QF is apparently doing - at least with respect to the EK partnership.

Not for 6 weeks, until 31 Mar ! QUOTE]

Yes, I'm probably being very naive, but there has to be SOME explanation, illogical or otherwise . . .

Am sure that they won't have to wait til the deathknock for the final approval, they're saying March, but hopefully very early in the month for everyones sake

 

[simongr]

While I secretly hope your positive spin is correct, it does not make much business sense to drive business away like QF is apparently doing - at least with respect to the EK partnership.

Not for 6 weeks, until 31 Mar !

That's a lot of paying customers to alienate.

If I were paying out of my own pocket, I would be looking elsewhere smartly (SQ, CX, BA...) and forget about SCs.

It's good to have a free market but I feel somewhat sad for QF, "our" once iconic airline.

Could one driver for this be that QF and EK are actively not colluding on price? As such QF may not know the price of every flight and fare bucket on EK and are pricing what they think it should be?