Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[ozmille]

Yes it is a "no brainer" for everyone in the world except for maybe QF management whom will be wondering "Where on earth have all our J and PE passengers have gone?"

Still every time I fly int J on QF there is not a single spare seat, and I assume they can not all be upgrades...

 

[amaroo]

Yes it is a "no brainer" for everyone in the world except for maybe QF management whom will be wondering "Where on earth have all our J and PE passengers have gone?"

QF keep this up - it shouldn't be too long before we see BA9/10 back downunder

 

[anat0l]

QF keep this up - it shouldn't be too long before we see BA9/10 back downunder

That'd be nice. Why the hell did they pull out in the first place, especially if they were in the process of rolling out new F and new WT+.

Better to have more options, right? Probably better that it's taking place exclusive of the JSA, because that means that BA will only have to introduce it completely on their own steam. That means they can't slack off, unlike before where they had some fall back on QF.

 

[eastwest101]

Still every time I fly int J on QF there is not a single spare seat, and I assume they can not all be upgrades...

True - and if you believe QF management, and apparently QFi has been losing money hand over fist with average load factors around 80%....

 

[legroom]

Hopefully that means more availability for JASA

Sure but... at what price point ?

 

[legroom]

Still every time I fly int J on QF there is not a single spare seat, and I assume they can not all be upgrades...

Not likely if this pricing anomaly continues.

What you saw reflected past pricing I guess.

Could you recall this much angst on AFF over this issue ?

 

[amaroo]

That'd be nice. Why the hell did they pull out in the first place, especially if they were in the process of rolling out new F and new WT+.

BA had a good thing going with QF & they worked out a better way to cut the cake........fast forward, QF have dropped them like a school bag & decided to take their cake over to the sandpit.

IMO BA & others have been given a golden opportunity to feast on the OZ-ASIA-UK market......just because QF couldn't make it work - doesn't mean it can't work!

 

[simongr]

Not likely if this pricing anomaly continues.

What you saw reflected past pricing I guess.

Could you recall this much angst on AFF over this issue ?

QF J prices to LHR have always been hilarious. I consistently see a $3K difference between QF and CX. Last year I booked early for the cheap rate of $10K - my colleague went to book a month later and was quoted $13K!

 

[anat0l]

BA had a good thing going with QF & they worked out a better way to cut the cake........fast forward, QF have dropped them like a school bag & decided to take their cake over to the sandpit.

IMO BA & others have been given a golden opportunity to feast on the OZ-ASIA-UK market......just because QF couldn't make it work - doesn't mean it can't work!

BA had a good thing going? So they withdrew just because this JSA is now coming to an end?

This is nothing about QF and it's not QF's fault that we are experiencing a temporary drop in BA services (yeah, one) to Australia. The fact of the matter is is that if your latter statement were true, then why did they pull out one such service in the first place. They should be able to know that they can support that flight on their own steam, irrespective of the QF situation (and even better since without the JSA, they keep the entire pie).

I think BA has enough troubles at home that they need to regroup. That's the only reason I can think of that they withdrew the SYD/BKK service. Besides, they are madly pounding on the TATL and Chinese markets (new service to Chengdu just announced), so I think they have their hands full. Frankly having BA back with an extra service would be great, so there's more variety. If they operate their new A380s on such routes, even better.


Just because you're not in an incestuous relationship with your next door neighbour doesn't automatically mean you two are engaged in World War IV. I think the posture of QF and BA to each other is hardly hostile, and definitely not "**** you", as it would seem to be suggested.

 

[amaroo]

BA had a good thing going? So they withdrew just because this JSA is now coming to an end?

BA & QF withdrew their respective legs on the sector well before the EK deal & the JSA was ditched. IIRC the changes were jointly announced Aug 2011 & implemented around March 2012.

I'm assuming the changes occurred because it made economical sense for both parties.....within the structure that was in place at the time.

is nothing about QF and it's not QF's fault that we are experiencing a temporary drop in BA services (yeah, one) to Australia. The fact of the matter is is that if your latter statement were true, then why did they pull out one such service in the first place. They should be able to know that they can support that flight on their own steam, irrespective of the QF situation (and even better since without the JSA, they keep the entire pie).

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. BA & QF made a joint decision at the time - it suited both parties, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. The decision to pull was made under a different arrangement/structure. The EK tie up occurred after the event. Hopefully, BA will step back into the ring & resurrect BA9/10

think BA has enough troubles at home that they need to regroup. That's the only reason I can think of that they withdrew the SYD/BKK service. Besides, they are madly pounding on the TATL and Chinese markets (new service to Chengdu just announced), so I think they have their hands full. Frankly having BA back with an extra service would be great, so there's more variety. If they operate their new A380s on such routes, even better.

You may be correct.

I'm thinking they (BA/QF) made the call based on pushing two partially full loads into one.....cutting the cake better.

because you're not in an incestuous relationship with your next door neighbour doesn't automatically mean you two are engaged in World War IV. I think the posture of QF and BA to each other is hardly hostile, and definitely not "**** you", as it would seem to be suggested.

QF have moved on & hopefully BA will reinvigorate with OZ. We can see some of this occurring already - change to T5, allocation of aircraft with better cabins to OZ. All of these occurred after EK & the ditching of the JSA.....hopefully, there will be more.

 

[EkFlyer22]

No need to do this to find your EK booking number. Just stick your PNR and last name into Emirates' site and it will pull up your booking there - even on an 081 stock ticket with all QF flight numbers

Doesn't seem to be working for me. Entering the booking ref (of my 081 QF ticket) and the surname on EK.com jsut results in this error message.

• Sorry, we were unable to find your booking. Please enter the Name/PNR details as given in your Eticket.

Should I e-mail them and ask for a EK booking ref?

 

[blackcat20]

Doesn't seem to be working for me. Entering the booking ref (of my 081 QF ticket) and the surname on EK.com jsut results in this error message.

• Sorry, we were unable to find your booking. Please enter the Name/PNR details as given in your Eticket.

Should I e-mail them and ask for a EK booking ref?

Are you using the six digit booking ref? The first time I logged on I had to validate with my email address but now I can get straight in.

 

[EkFlyer22]

Yes, I'm using the 6 digit Alpha-numeric booking ref.

 

[blackcat20]

Yes, I'm using the 6 digit Alpha-numeric booking ref.

Im not sure then, sorry :-|

 

[EkFlyer22]

Should I e-mail QF or EK about this issue?

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Still every time I fly int J on QF there is not a single spare seat, and I assume they can not all be upgrades...

I think you'll find that any 'spare' (non-revenue seats) are in fact upgrades or redemptions.

Do you remember the 'enhancement' of the upgrade system right up to departure time? It now pretty much guarantees no op-ups, now that points can be deducted from someone instead.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I think you'll find that any 'spare' (non-revenue seats) are in fact upgrades or redemptions.

Which still make money for the airline unless they're op-ups - however if they are op-ups it would be supremely unlikely that QF aren't making a dime off the flight.

 

[amaroo]

Still every time I fly int J on QF there is not a single spare seat, and I assume they can not all be upgrades...

I've been looking for two FASA to SIN for the past couple of months.....after researching QF & EF almost everyday - I've come to the conclusion they are filling the cabin with requested upgrades. Makes sense they would do the same for the other cabins.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Which still make money for the airline unless they're op-ups - however if they are op-ups it would be supremely unlikely that QF aren't making a dime off the flight.

If you 'cash out' a cancelled JASA for example, you will see the revenue on a redemption seat yields very little revenue, and I would hazard to guess this wouldn't even achieve a cost recovery.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

I've been looking for two FASA to SIN for the past couple of months.....after researching QF & EF almost everyday - I've come to the conclusion they are filling the cabin with requested upgrades. Makes sense they would do the same for the other cabins.

More likely FASAs were booked by me 12 months prior at classic levels - all 1 P inventory available per flight, on selected flights