Qantas Fleet

[mannej]

New Qantas presentation up for a Macquarie conference on the ASX website

Couple of updates on Qantas Domestic.
- All 737-400s gone by June 2014.
- All 767-300s gone by March 2015 (as A332s come from Jetstar)

So Qantas Domestic mainline will only operate A332s and B737-800s by March 2015

For international goes into detail on 747 retirements:
By Jun 2014 - By exit of PER-SIN which shifts A330 to BNE-SIN
By Dec 2014 - By downguage of a SYD-SIN service to A330
By Dec 2014 - By A380 going to DFW

Then a note that suggests
2 by Dec 2015 - No replacement/ or rationale noted.

Total of 5 - which I think is all of the remaining non-refurbed 747s left.

The second question is what will happen to HNL when the 767's are gone?

 

[smit0847]

The second question is what will happen to HNL when the 767's are gone?

Isn't it already an A330? I would have thought HNL would be prime non-refurb 747 territory. You dont need your best product on a leisure route.

 

[maninblack]

Part of it will be the balance between frequency of service, number of seats and number of aircraft.

Personally I would prefer the 747 but I'm sure they have done their sums.

I think they might spend too much time doing sums and not enough time looking out the window as the world continues to pass them by.

The second question is what will happen to HNL when the 767's are gone?

There was an announcement of some kind a few months ago that it would switch to A330's. Schedules still show 763's right through to next year though.

 

[codash1099]

I think they might spend too much time doing sums and not enough time looking out the window as the world continues to pass them by.

Which wouldn't be so bad if they didn't keep geeting those sums wrong.

 

[JohnPhelan]

The second question is what will happen to HNL when the 767's are gone?

QF announced some weeks back that HNL will switch to A330 service by the end of this year.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Isn't it already an A330? I would have thought HNL would be prime non-refurb 747 territory. You dont need your best product on a leisure route.

QF has some very lucrative corporate/government contracts to HNL. Don't presume it's only leisure. AJ has made the comment several times that HNL is an unusual route, in that it is profitable for both QF and JQ to operate.

 

[Mr_Orange]

QF has some very lucrative corporate/government contracts to HNL. Don't presume it's only leisure. AJ has made the comment several times that HNL is an unusual route, in that it is profitable for both QF and JQ to operate.

If it's profitable for QF and then they should bin the JQ services and make them QF services!

 

[OATEK]

If it's profitable for QF and then they should bin the JQ services and make them QF services!

I believe John may have meant there are good business reasons for QF to have LCC and full service operations in parallel, on the basis that the special business contracts will want QF and leisure travellers will make use of JQ. As long as both are making money, I don't see it as an issue. It is only if JQ is directly undermining QFi that I would be concerned.

 

[JohnPhelan]

As long as both are making money, I don't see it as an issue. It is only if JQ is directly undermining QFi that I would be concerned.

Exactly. They are serving different markets. The people buying cheapie tickets on JQ would not pay the more expensive prices that QF charge. So the dual carrier strategy works on this route because it is catering for two different market segments.

 

[Mr_Orange]

I believe John may have meant there are good business reasons for QF to have LCC and full service operations in parallel, on the basis that the special business contracts will want QF and leisure travellers will make use of JQ. As long as both are making money, I don't see it as an issue. It is only if JQ is directly undermining QFi that I would be concerned.

Fair point and understood .

 

[mannej]

QF announced some weeks back that HNL will switch to A330 service by the end of this year.

Would that mean less skybeds on the trans-con routes (not that it will matter in a couple of years time)?

 

[Mr_Orange]

Would that mean less skybeds on the trans-con routes (not that it will matter in a couple of years time)?

I don't think so, as HNL will more than likely be serviced by a refitted A330 returning from JQ.

 

[maninblack]

The only times QF has subbed A330's or run charters into HNL they have used A333's which would be in line with their policy of only using the most clapped out aircraft in their fleet for HNL. So could be A333.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Would that mean less skybeds on the trans-con routes (not that it will matter in a couple of years time)?

It will mean more J seats (i.e. Skybeds) on the HNL run in the short term, as the 767s have only 25 J (Dreamtime) seats compared with the 30 J seats (Skybeds) on the international A333.


Longer term, that advantage disappears, as QF installs its new J suites on the whole of the A330 fleet, commencing the roll out in December this year.

 

[under the radar]

a few 'tidbits' of info which may help some in their flight 'planning'

1) QF retiring 3 744s by end 2014 (i don't know which regos)
2) QF retiring 6 767s by end 2014 (i don't know which regos)...and ALL 767s retired by MARCH 2015
3) QF taking delivery of 5 738s by end 2014

the less use of QF widebodies up/down east coast is nigh

 

[Flyerqf]

According to The Qantas Source, A330 EBS is under maintenance in Singapore at the moment.

Is this the first time Qantas has maintained A330s outside of Brisbane?

 

[madrooster]

According to The Qantas Source, A330 EBS is under maintenance in Singapore at the moment.

Is this the first time Qantas has maintained A330s outside of Brisbane?

Lately QF has been using SIN for the JQ->QF paint jobs... no regular maintenance recently to date at SIN.

 

[Mattg]

Lately QF has been using SIN for the JQ->QF paint jobs... no regular maintenance recently to date at SIN.

EBS has already been in Qantas colours for some time.

 

[mannej]

Lately QF has been using SIN for the JQ->QF paint jobs... no regular maintenance recently to date at SIN.

EBS went to QF very early in the piece. From memory it wasn't at JQ for very long at all.

 

[lovestotravel]

3) QF taking delivery of 5 738s by end 2014

the less use of QF widebodies up/down east coast is nigh

Are there really 5 more 738's coming ? I thought there were no more ?

QF will still need a few widebodies MEL-SYD-MEL those 767 flights are FULL in both J and Y and a 737 won't cut it for J passengers, although quite a few seem to be staff




As for HNL, it's going to be an A330 in the next 10 months!

Currently the 767 is
25J
208Y


Then it will be
30J
271Y

Which is a pretty good upgrade with about a 30% increase in seats