Qantas is changing, but what will never change is our commitment to rewarding ...

[AnonymousCoward]

Re: Qantas is changing, but what will never change is our commitment to rewarding...

So routes out of PER can't make a profit?

Not according to QANTAS - I thought AJ was pretty unequivocal when he stated that loss making routes were being cut.

Other carriers evidently figure they can make money, or are wiling to absorb losses.

 

[harvyk]

Re: Qantas is changing, but what will never change is our commitment to rewarding...

Not according to QANTAS - I thought AJ was pretty unequivocal when he stated that loss making routes were being cut.

Other carriers evidently figure they can make money, or are wiling to absorb losses.

Back when SIN was the stop over point for QF's euro routes, PER-SIN then had all of Europe as on-flowing. Now that SIN is a terminating port for QF services, there is probably little advantage to running a dedicated service just between PER and SIN, since to go further than SIN (as I'd imagine a good percentage want to) you'd then need to connect to another airline, there is also competition from the LCC's plus there is no shortage of choices of airlines to Asia which has connections beyond the arrival port, I don't think it's a major surprise that QF have pulled the plug.

 

[Isochronous]

Y+ would not be very useful domestically for QF. I don't know the split on 332/333 internationally. But an almost 300 seat airplane (current configuration) could afford 3 or 4 rows of Y+.

Happy wandering

Fred

Do what CX do in that situation - let WPs pre-select those seats, or offer them as 'extra legroom' seats for additional $20 per pax at check-in.

 

[Shelf]

Re: Qantas is changing, but what will never change is our commitment to rewarding...

Flying Fox Adelaide is likely to be next. I guess we could fly over for a Villies pie and a Haigh's chocolate bar before heading off on QFI before Adelaide gets shut down for international flights as well.
The shock of Perth having no Qantas international flights shows me how the top level of Qantas needs to be removed and replaced with less Sydney centric management.

ADL lost QFi flights ~12 months ago

 

[codash1099]

They probably need more flyers paying with the folding stuff........rather than ones paying with FFP

FFP's are money. Qantas got good prices in selling them and is make a nice profit when they are used

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Do what CX do in that situation - let WPs pre-select those seats, or offer them as 'extra legroom' seats for additional $20 per pax at check-in.

Nooo!

It's time for the free ride for platinums to end.

If QF was to have Y+ seating (sold as Y) it should go to those who have paid the highest fare on any given flight.

On this 'free ride' let's look at some basics... QFi has 14 flights a day with F class. Platinums are out there wanting all sorts of benefits, including F champagne. if the total platinums in J/PE/Y consume between them even one bottle of Pol Roger WC - at $230 a bottle, that's over $1.1 million a year.

Put that in to context... that's 1376 return economy seats PER-SIN return not paid for just to fund platinum drinks that they can't afford to pay for with their chosen class of service.

seriously, with all the perks platinums expect there is little incentive for them to buy higher cabins. That should stop.

 

[markis10]

seriously, with all the perks platinums expect there is little incentive for them to buy higher cabins. That should stop.

Its all about PCV, jumping the queue by paying more for one flight does not alter too much the lifetime value of you as a customer to Qantas.

 

[cmon0005]

On this 'free ride' let's look at some basics... QFi has 14 flights a day with F class. Platinums are out there wanting all sorts of benefits, including F champagne. if the total platinums in J/PE/Y consume between them even one bottle of Pol Roger WC - at $230 a bottle, that's over $1.1 million a year.

On the same token if those extras weren't offered and good service to plats wasn't provided, we would walk next door and give CX a few thousand dollars instead. More of a loss for an entire ticket than a few measly extras to keep your most frequent flyers flying with you.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

FFP's are money. Qantas got good prices in selling them and is make a nice profit when they are used

LOL, so you think the QF could fly if every seat on the plane was redeemed using FFP? (aside from the at-market price Any Seat awards)

Of course not. 60K points SYD-SIN in J was sold for $600 or so. No way that QF would be profitable selling their J seats for $600

 

[Deleted member]

Nooo!

It's time for the free ride for platinums to end.

If QF was to have Y+ seating (sold as Y) it should go to those who have paid the highest fare on any given flight.

On this 'free ride' let's look at some basics... QFi has 14 flights a day with F class. Platinums are out there wanting all sorts of benefits, including F champagne. if the total platinums in J/PE/Y consume between them even one bottle of Pol Roger WC - at $230 a bottle, that's over $1.1 million a year.

Put that in to context... that's 1376 return economy seats PER-SIN return not paid for just to fund platinum drinks that they can't afford to pay for with their chosen class of service.

seriously, with all the perks platinums expect there is little incentive for them to buy higher cabins. That should stop.

Is that Pol Roger retail or wholesale pricing?

 

[777]

I am convinced that VA are going to go hard after Perth. Co-location with the international terminal opens up all sorts of connection possibilities on their own metal and with whatever partners they chose. I'd not be surprised to see connections to Jakarta and other south East Asian destinations on their own narrow body metal. More importantly I expect a lot more of what they've just done with South African and Etihad there where international partners feed VAs domestic network with some reciprocity back. Also, the acquisition of Skywest, while largely about FIFO and regional does somewhat position them as a strong WA based carrier from here on in.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Is that Pol Roger retail or wholesale pricing?

I think I'm entitled to use the same poetic licence as the qantas board right? (never let facts (or actual cost) get in the way of good analysis )

 

[bobe]

I flew per-sing last Friday and not many empty seats,fly home on to on tonight's flight, should be interesting.

Last night the Sing-Perth flight was full mostly self transit pax, how can they "can" a rout when they are getting "BUMS" on seats?

 

[trippin_the_rift]

They can't sell sufficient tickets at a price that makes them a profit.

I'm not surprised when they sell barato tickets at $500 return....

 

[Isochronous]

On the same token if those extras weren't offered and good service to plats wasn't provided, we would walk next door and give CX a few thousand dollars instead. More of a loss for an entire ticket than a few measly extras to keep your most frequent flyers flying with you.

You assume Plats are only interested in champagne. I still pay for PE and J/use points to buy those classes when I can because the seat and the experience is better. Now I've had a taste of those cabins, I am not a fan of Y even as a WP

 

[markis10]

Also, the acquisition of Skywest, while largely about FIFO and regional does somewhat position them as a strong WA based carrier from here on in.

I think Skywest is their biggest gem, once they get over the expansion halt. Regional is a cash cow, and a valuable feed into mainline.

 

[Jean Prouvaire]

Time to ditch you QFF points?

David Flynn of Australian Business Traveller, writing in the Sydney Morning Herald, thinks no. He doesn't anticipate short-term changes to the QFF programme, though longer-term devaluation of points can't be ruled out.

 

[cove]

Markis10 Skywest always ran the wrong planes. Have they started trying to fix that?
Skywest were stretching their creditors leading up to getting taken over. No one in the west saw the acquisition as a jewel but instead breathed a sigh of relief that they were acquired by Virgin to cobble together a bigger business.
Hopefully it doesn't end in tears as it services some of country WA.

 

[JohnK]

It's time for the free ride for platinums to end.

Free ride? I wouldn't call it a free ride.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I think Skywest is their biggest gem, once they get over the expansion halt. Regional is a cash cow, and a valuable feed into mainline.

Is it a gem? The F50s are getting on and need to be replaced. The 100s are ok for now but need a plan for replacement in the medium term also and it has been mentioned here on the lack of a really suitable new jet replacement available in the market at the current time.

Obviously new aircraft require capital and you need to earn enough to cover operating costs and pay for the aircraft...