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[markis10]

Is it a gem? The F50s are getting on and need to be replaced. The 100s are ok for now but need a plan for replacement in the medium term also and it has been mentioned here on the lack of a really suitable new jet replacement available in the market at the current time.

Skywest hold the AOC for the ATRs, which are money making machines and will replace the FK50s.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Free ride? I wouldn't call it a free ride.

just worked out platinums potentially get the equivalent of 1376 free return flights PER-SIN each year because of the champagne they drink. That = a free ride non?

 

[Must...Fly!]

Skywest hold the AOC for the ATRs, which are money making machines and will replace the FK50s.

Well when an ATR appears in Perth then it may be a gem for customers too! As for now, well...stepping in to a 50 is like being stuck in a time warp!

 

[Mattg]

If the reason for cutting the route was that the flights weren't filling (although this is contrary to most reports) then they could solve this by putting on a 738.
If the reason was that they needed an A330 elsewhere, they could solve this by putting on a 738 - they have 60 + of these...
If the reason was that the business cabin wasn't filling, they could solve this by putting on a 738... You get the idea.

As long as the schedule remained similar to the current one, i.e. daytime flights, I don't think it would be a big issue to use a 737 on this route - it's better than nothing for sure!

I find it difficult to believe that Qantas is justified in cutting back PER-SIN from double daily to zero flights in less than a year.

Loyalty works two ways, Qantas. How can you expect your customers to be loyal to you when you are not loyal in return?

 

[wandering_fred]

Well when an ATR appears in Perth then it may be a gem for customers too! As for now, well...stepping in to a 50 is like being stuck in a time warp!

Except when you look at the air fare between Albany and Perth...
Maybe you need to connect to another Virgin flight...

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[bobe]

If the reason for cutting the route was that the flights weren't filling (although this is contrary to most reports) then they could solve this by putting on a 738.
If the reason was that they needed an A330 elsewhere, they could solve this by putting on a 738 - they have 60 + of these...
If the reason was that the business cabin wasn't filling, they could solve this by putting on a 738... You get the idea.

As long as the schedule remained similar to the current one, i.e. daytime flights, I don't think it would be a big issue to use a 737 on this route - it's better than nothing for sure!

I find it difficult to believe that Qantas is justified in cutting back PER-SIN from double daily to zero flights in less than a year.

Loyalty works two ways, Qantas. How can you expect your customers to be loyal to you when you are not loyal in return?

Great response

 

[boomy]

On this 'free ride' let's look at some basics... QFi has 14 flights a day with F class. Platinums are out there wanting all sorts of benefits, including F champagne. if the total platinums in J/PE/Y consume between them even one bottle of Pol Roger WC - at $230 a bottle, that's over $1.1 million a year.

seriously, with all the perks platinums expect there is little incentive for them to buy higher cabins. That should stop.

There is one huge incentive for platinums to pay for higher cabins - QF is extremely cheap with free upgrades.
Now think about how many bottles of champagne worth only one Y/J or J/F upgrade.

 

[amaroo]

There is one huge incentive for platinums to pay for higher cabins - QF is extremely cheap with free upgrades.
Now think about how many bottles of champagne worth only one Y/J or J/F upgrade.

Exactly. I paid for 4 J flights to LOTFAP, submitted the upgrade....bingo the four of us were in F on QF11 A380 and enjoying it Not free but only 180,000 points which = free in my books! This was 15th Dec just gone.

 

[wandering_fred]

If the reason for cutting the route was that the flights weren't filling (although this is contrary to most reports) then they could solve this by putting on a 738.
If the reason was that they needed an A330 elsewhere, they could solve this by putting on a 738 - they have 60 + of these...
If the reason was that the business cabin wasn't filling, they could solve this by putting on a 738... You get the idea.

As long as the schedule remained similar to the current one, i.e. daytime flights, I don't think it would be a big issue to use a 737 on this route - it's better than nothing for sure!
I find it difficult to believe that Qantas is justified in cutting back PER-SIN from double daily to zero flights in less than a year.
Loyalty works two ways, Qantas. How can you expect your customers to be loyal to you when you are not loyal in return?

Alas the PER-SIN route is just a bit too long to run double each way daily using one aircraft. And for the route to be successful in connecting (to anything but consider BA to SIN-LHR:mrgreen:, CX SIN-HKG and TG/3K SIN-BKK) it would need morning and evening flights each way.

I suspect that double 738s would be roughly equivalent in capacity to the single A333 that was/is in use.

And loyalty.... Do I fly the 4~ flights, earn the SCs on partners and enjoy WP with a 2016 soft landing?:shock:

Happy wandering (assuming you east of ADL)

Fred

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Why any premium passengers would fly 738 on that route is beyond me

 

[wandering_fred]

Why any premium passengers would fly 738 on that route is beyond me

Yes I will admit I would prefer an A330 (or larger) on every route I fly. OTOH, there are times when situations require otherwise.

AA seems to think an A321 (albeit 3+ class) will compete on the high visibility NYC/MIA-LAX/SFO routes.
MH certainly uses the 738 (with business class) on their regional SE Asia routes.
And AA/BA seem to think that frequency of service trumps using A380s on the LHR-JFK route.

What we now have is no OneWorld alliance carrier flying the PER-SIN route. and 3K does not use a wide body with the business class (er... Y+ class) seating. Somehow I suspect that QF, AY, BA and JL passengers who previously flew on the A330 would rather a modest (domestic size perhaps) business class and standard size Y seats than a high density Y A320 seat on 3K.

I'm still surprised that the media has not questioned QF's exAustralia fare pricing when compared to almost anywhere else.

Happy wandering (if east of ADL)

Fred

 

[Must...Fly!]

I wonder if JAL could be tempted in to doing a NRT-SIN-PER flight.

 

[bobe]

I wonder if JAL could be tempted in to doing a NRT-SIN-PER flight.

Would be be a good option!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes I will admit I would prefer an A330 (or larger) on every route I fly. OTOH, there are times when situations require otherwise.

AA seems to think an A321 (albeit 3+ class) will compete on the high visibility NYC/MIA-LAX/SFO routes.
MH certainly uses the 738 (with business class) on their regional SE Asia routes.
And AA/BA seem to think that frequency of service trumps using A380s on the LHR-JFK route.

What we now have is no OneWorld alliance carrier flying the PER-SIN route. and 3K does not use a wide body with the business class (er... Y+ class) seating. Somehow I suspect that QF, AY, BA and JL passengers who previously flew on the A330 would rather a modest (domestic size perhaps) business class and standard size Y seats than a high density Y A320 seat on 3K.

I'm still surprised that the media has not questioned QF's exAustralia fare pricing when compared to almost anywhere else.

Happy wandering (if east of ADL)

Fred

I wonder if they have thought of 'up-costing' low-cost?

Why not have one row of 2+2 seating @ 50' pitch at the front of JQ A320s to cater for business traffic? Although I suppose it didn't work for Air New Zeland... they couldn't fill the 8 seats trans-tasman on their aircraft. But ANZ has made it work otherwise.

Maybe it's time for JQ to start recognising status. How hard could that be?

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Maybe it's time for JQ to start recognising status. How hard could that be?

The risk becomes that of pax flying JQ over QF, lowering yield per passenger and setting new price expectations.

I'd go full premium on some routes. Premium passengers are much easier to please than those booking for price...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The risk becomes that of pax flying JQ over QF, lowering yield per passenger and setting new price expectations.

I'd go full premium on some routes. Premium passengers are much easier to please than those booking for price...

this would be for the PER-SIN route for example. on flights where there is no QF alternative, what's wrong with at least offering priority check-in etc.

 

[Happy Trails]

this would be for the PER-SIN route for example. on flights where there is no QF alternative, what's wrong with at least offering priority check-in etc.

No, platinums have way too many perks as it is.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

No, platinums have way too many perks as it is.

it would be applicable to all status from QF club upwards. QF group could try and do a little to stop people flying CX.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

If the reason for cutting the route was that the flights weren't filling (although this is contrary to most reports) then they could solve this by putting on a 738.
If the reason was that they needed an A330 elsewhere, they could solve this by putting on a 738 - they have 60 + of these...
If the reason was that the business cabin wasn't filling, they could solve this by putting on a 738... You get the idea.

As long as the schedule remained similar to the current one, i.e. daytime flights, I don't think it would be a big issue to use a 737 on this route - it's better than nothing for sure!

I find it difficult to believe that Qantas is justified in cutting back PER-SIN from double daily to zero flights in less than a year.

Loyalty works two ways, Qantas. How can you expect your customers to be loyal to you when you are not loyal in return?

Are they going to make enough money out of 1 x 737 flight/day to justify all the fixed infrastructure at Perth International? (check in, lounges, baggage handling, back-end station staff, catering etc.)?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Are they going to make enough money out of 1 x 737 flight/day to justify all the fixed infrastructure at Perth International? (check in, lounges, baggage handling, back-end station staff, catering etc.)?

I imagine they'd do what any other airline with a single flight would do - outsource it all.