Qantas Plans OneWorld Superterminal at Sydney

Or will it be more of a LHR/LGW situation rather than HND/NRT type of situation (in terms of traffic makeup)?
LHR/LTN might be a better comparison?
QF has signed a MOU with WSA.
As mentioned elsewhere, both airports will be fully operational and QF and VA will fly to both
Did QF sign on behalf of JQ? Although, QF mainline will have the data on which Dom/Int city pairs could work for QF / QF Link. Although, I wouldn’t expect any QFi flights operating from WSA in the first few years.
 
It's not either or. Both VA and QF will fly out of both airports domestically. Think of Western Sydney as a different city like Canberra or Newcastle.


Trying to think of analogies, Los Angeles area is probably the best. The metro area has multiple airports, LAX of course (comparable to SYD), but domestically, you can aslo fly into SNA, LGB, BUR, ONT depending on where you want to be in the overall urban area (and ONT also has limited international service too). Where it differs I think Western Sydney will have more international services because of the curfew situation.
 
LHR/LTN might be a better comparison?

Did QF sign on behalf of JQ? Although, QF mainline will have the data on which Dom/Int city pairs could work for QF / QF Link. Although, I wouldn’t expect any QFi flights operating from WSA in the first few years.

I'd say the route network will range somewhere between that of Newcastle and that of Canberra (ie, at a minimum, MEL/BNE/OOL, but could be more substantial similar to CBR).

I don't think you'll see flights to Canberra, it's just a little too close.
 
I can just imagine the wow, I thought I was flying out of this airport SYD, but in fact, the particular flyer will be flying out of WSA, or NBW if they use that IATA acronym.
Hopefully, they will plan this out well.
 
Actually a shame IATA don't move codes, Airlie Beach (Shute Harbour) has the perfect code - WSY

I predict the ICAO code will be YSSW
 
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Really depends on what Uncle Alan has in mind here. If his vision is to make Sydney be an international hub much like London or Dubai or Atlanta, then it might be an easy sell. Having lived in a number of continents, I'm surprised at how poorly connected Australia is in terms of flights. I mean 2 non-stop routes to Europe? Really?
You do know how far apart Australia and Europe are right...?

The two routes currently flown from PER (LHR daily, FCO seasonally) are #3 and #18 on the current longest routes flown worldwide. Moreover, Qantas is the only airline that offers direct flights between Europe and Australia. There is not a single other provider. Why? Aviation technology has been limited in its capacity to carry people such long distances affordably. Having stopovers has been the only feasible method of getting from one end of the world to the other. The kangaroo route used to have many more stopovers too, so be thankful for those technological advances. Once Sunrise is up and running Qantas will occupy 8 of the top 8 longest commercial flights in the world with the various combinations of SYD and MEL to LHR, CDG, FRA, and JFK (yes, I know JFK isn't in Europe). Australia is just a long way from pretty much everywhere.

Of course there's way more flights to Asia and even the west coast of the US. SIN is busiest international route for each of SYD, MEL, BNE, PER, and ADL. That you've lived on a number of continents and are "surprised" by how poorly Australia is connected to Europe speaks more to the fact that maybe you just didn't realise how far away, and how small in terms of population, Australia is. Which is fine if you simply don't know, but assigning the lack of direct routes to Europe to any kind of unwillingness/stubbornness on behalf of Australia to be connected is frankly naive.

Sydney will never be a "hub" in the same what the London or Dubai are in terms of connecting international flights to further destinations - in 2019 it only just scraped into the top 50 busiest airports worldwide for total passenger traffic, and with a grand total of 3 million international passengers in FY2022 it's. The sole purpose will be getting Australians into, and out of Australia, directly from their desired destinations, and same for anybody wanting to visit the mythical land of Oz.

With all of that being said, and to get this back OT, a OW super-terminal would only make sense if there was an existing airport redevelopment going on and all of the OW airlines flying into SYD agreed that it would be a good idea. Qantas of course will be a driving factor as the largest user of the airport, but they wouldn't want to pay for it themselves. So to say "Qantas planning" might be a bit of a stretch, "Qantas lobbying for" might be more apt if/when the idea floats around again.
 
Once Sunrise is up and running Qantas will occupy 8 of the top 8 longest commercial flights in the world with the various combinations of SYD and MEL to LHR, CDG, FRA, and JFK (yes, I know JFK isn't in Europe). Australia is just a long way from pretty much everywhere.

You're more optimistic than I am! I suspect we won't see all 8 routes coming from Sunrise. SYD-JFK/LHR definitely happening. Wouldn't be surprised if these eventually go double daily. I think MEL-LHR is extremely likely to happen. Out of the rest, I'd say SYD-CDG/FRA and MEL-JFK could (should?) happen, but much lower chance of MEL-CDG or FRA (but as a Victorian, happy to be proven wrong).
 
You're more optimistic than I am! I suspect we won't see all 8 routes coming from Sunrise. SYD-JFK/LHR definitely happening. Wouldn't be surprised if these eventually go double daily. I think MEL-LHR is extremely likely to happen. Out of the rest, I'd say SYD-CDG/FRA and MEL-JFK could (should?) happen, but much lower chance of MEL-CDG or FRA (but as a Victorian, happy to be proven wrong).
It would depend on how popular the SYD JFK/LHR routes prove to be. They would most likely also replace the b787 from PER to Europe as well into the a350. There's also SYD to ORD that might happen as well. Also possibly opening up Brazil as a flight option too.

I suspect initially we won't see the a350 operate out of MEL or BNE like how the 787 didn't operate much out of SYD initially. Would make more sense from a maintenance point of view until you have more of a fleet.
 
How many ultra long haul route could Qantas run with the current 12 A350 order? Based on daily schedule
 
How many ultra long haul route could Qantas run with the current 12 A350 order? Based on daily schedule
In theory 2 planes per route could do it but I'd guess at 21/22 hours they might assign 3 aircrafts for daily operations. Which would mean 6 taken up for SYD - LHR/JFK. I assume there's not enough leeway for turn arounds/ bad winds if you assign anything less than 3 aircraft for these routes to maintain consistent daily schedules.

Add in 3 more routes thats around 19hr where you only need 2 per route. I'd guess at most 3 additional routes. With some tight schedule planning you might get to squeeze 1 more out with plane rotation? For total of 5-6 routes.
 
In theory 2 planes per route could do it but I'd guess at 21/22 hours they might assign 3 aircrafts for daily operations. Which would mean 6 taken up for SYD - LHR/JFK. I assume there's not enough leeway for turn arounds/ bad winds if you assign anything less than 3 aircraft for these routes to maintain consistent daily schedules.

Add in 3 more routes thats around 19hr where you only need 2 per route. I'd guess at most 3 additional routes. With some tight schedule planning you might get to squeeze 1 more out with plane rotation? For total of 5-6 routes.

Not every route will be daily.

I imagine SYD-CDG might be 3x weekly, possibly even MEL-JFK only 3x weekly.

I'd say SYD-JFK, SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR will be daily though.

Definitely with the new/resumed destinations like CDG/ORD etc it will start low frequency so they can test the market.

With these non-daily routes, it really lets them fill the gaps in the schedule and get the most out of utilisation, so it's not as black and white (x aircraft for y routes) as your post suggests.
 
Definitely with the new/resumed destinations like CDG/ORD etc it will start low frequency so they can test the market.
Despite the “on paper” list of possible destinations, I’m not holding my breath that either will be “Sunrise” options anytime soon. Current talk is CDG via PER and ORD probably back to BNE?
 
BNE-ORD will likely be a 789, would be great if it was A350 SYD-ORD though, I love Chicago and anything to avoid LAX.
 
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The thing about Chicago, does it offer enough high margin origin/destination traffic to support SYD-ORD ULH service? In terms of connections would it offer that much more than DFW?

You have 12 aircraft that will be certainly chasing yield, thus double daily SYD-LHR is probably more likely than some of the other proposed routes (that's if they have the slots and can find a timetable that is acceptable to the market within the curfew constraints at both ends to make 2x daily work).
 
Current talk is CDG via PER and ORD probably back to BNE?

Definitely to start, and once they gauge the market, will make a D on direct flights from SYD.

PER-LHR itself is supposed to be upgraded to A350 eventually.
 
The thing about Chicago, does it offer enough high margin origin/destination traffic to support SYD-ORD ULH service? In terms of connections would it offer that much more than DFW?

You have 12 aircraft that will be certainly chasing yield, thus double daily SYD-LHR is probably more likely than some of the other proposed routes (that's if they have the slots and can find a timetable that is acceptable to the market within the curfew constraints at both ends to make 2x daily work).

ORD has much better connections to the North East & Midwest and also a gateway to Eastern Canada.

Sure DFW is better but ORD is a close second in terms of non-coastal hubs. The two will complement each other rather well (and I'd say more o/d traffic to Chicago vs DFW)

Yes QF has 4 slot pairs at LHR, two are on lease to BA. I'm not sure Sydney will get double sunrise to LHR - I think it will be SYD & MEL sunrise, then PER direct & SYD/BNE via SIN.
 

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